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You never did answer my "yes" or "no" question Finn
You never did answer my "yes" or "no" question Finn. Is there a reason for that?
Could it be that you can't stomach facing up to the horrific ramifications of your belief?
During the past several decades Islam has been a faster growing religion than Christianity. In fact they have almost caught up to Chritianity in numbers. I can give you a link that shows that if you like.
If you had the bad luck of being born a Muslim child it is probable that you would spend your lifetime believing that all Christians will spend eternity in hell.
So it's a yes or no question that I am asking you Finn. Why can't you answer it yes or no?
Here it is again.
You believe that millions of Muslims are going to suffer forever in hell don't you Finn, just like Muslims believe that all Christians are going to suffer forever in hell, is that not right? Yes or no Finn?
"Non-Muslims (kafir), however, will be punished in hell eternally"
quoted from Islamic Belief about the Afterlife The Afterlife in Islam - ReligionFacts
IMO the greatest of all manifestations of God's grace in action on this earth is that you can believe like you do and not go stark raving mad.
You never did answer my "yes" or "no" question Finn. Is there a reason for that?
Could it be that you can't stomach facing up to the horrific ramifications of your belief
I don't think many people can. It's very difficult to break down into your last comfort zone and be built up again. Especially when one believes they have already done so in the past and will never have to do it again.
The only reason Islam is growing is because their birth rate is higher. Their conversion rates do not come anywere near to Christian conversion rates.
Oh, you mean God might win more than the devil?
Wow! Good for God eh!
But what about when you add all the other millions in the other non-Christian religions, and the atheists and the agnostics too?
I'll bet the devil is going to win the majority after all. Don't you think so Finn?
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If people don't like my answers, then I shrug and move on.
To paraphrase the words of the Sundance Kid,
"You keep shrugging Finn. That's what you're good at." Your shrugging speaks volumes!
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I don't think many people can. It's very difficult to break down into your last comfort zone and be built up again. Especially when one believes they have already done so in the past and will never have to do it again.
This is what I was talking about in my other post a few pages back.
When I believed in eternal torment for 30 years, there were certain things I just didn't talk about or discuss. Like what you bring up for example: what would have happened if I was born a Muslim.
You just can't approach these kind of questions with any kind of reason or logic without coming to the conclusion that eternal torment is false.
My approach is different. I allow the Holy Spirit guide me. I know others who have been led astray by "logic". You and I will never understand God 100%.
1. How do you know it is the Holy Spirit is guiding you? It brings peace, love, and joy. Oh yeah that's right - you are completely at peace with the fate of billions who will suffer forever. Is that logical and reasonable?
2. This is where logic and reason become important. You do realize without logic or reason we could not even have this conversation? Logic and reason are good things Finn. In fact the truth is based on logic. 2+2=4 ; that is truth. And it can be proven logically.
God is good, all-powerful, the very definition of love, and lets people be tormented forever. That is completely illogical, and thus NOT truth.
You seem to have an aversion to logic - perhaps you should look into it a bit more. I'm not talking about "logic" AKA backwards illogical thoughts; but simple logic that says a square cannot be a circle, 2+2 must equal 4, and an all-powerful good being would not create creatures knowing their ultimate fate would be infinite pain. These are simple concepts any can understand if they would only user their brain and reasoning functions.
When I believed in eternal torment for 30 years, there were certain things I just didn't talk about or discuss. Like what you bring up for example: what would have happened if I was born a Muslim.
You just can't approach these kind of questions with any kind of reason or logic without coming to the conclusion that eternal torment is false.
But Finn doesn't seem to like reason or logic.
You can approach it with the language of the Bible, and the Bible is very clear that ALL unbelievers will be thrown in the lake of fire. Period.
But to repeatedly demand someone to judge whether or not someone is a believer, or not and who is going to hell and who is not is nonsense. It is childish nonsense, especially when it is ALWAYS followed by mockery, more childish comments and taunts. Why do URs always behave like that?
Unbelievers are thrown in the lake of fire, but I will let God decide who is a believer and who is not. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Are all Muslims unbelievers? HOW SHOULD I KNOW????? Do you know?
1. How do you know it is the Holy Spirit is guiding you? It brings peace, love, and joy.
Yes, praise the Lord.
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This is where logic and reason become important
Some people rely logic and reason, and some rely in God.
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You never did answer my "yes" or "no" question Finn
