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Exactly, "eonian life" is not living forever. That is why we also must put on immortality.
This has been explained to Finn numerous times but he doesn't listen.
Maybe he can't listen . . . yet.
The wonderful thing though, and I know you get it, legoman, is that one day Finn will see, hear and know. One day we will all have one big group hug. I can't wait to visit with Finn once we all put on immortality and incorruption. Then we will know as He is known and will no long see through a glass darkly. We don't know it all either.
Finn, are you not satisfied with God's intimate sovereign control over the timing of everything?
I am more than satisfied with Jesus's promise of eternal life. I won't have to guess if eternal means only 2 minutes, 2 years or 20 years. Praise the Lord.
I am more than satisfied with Jesus's promise of eternal life. I won't have to guess if eternal means only 2 minutes, 2 years or 20 years. Praise the Lord.
It means not only life for the ages which collectively come to an end Heb. 9:26 - the end of the eons (plural), but never ending life after the consummation of the ages when everyone will have life, after all death (including the second death) is abolished and everyone has put on immortality.
You don't need to worry about not having eternal life, but not because of the word aionios.
Matt. 25:46 shows the "eonian chastisement" and "eonian life" are of the same duration-lasting during the eons, and when the eons end, as Scripture states they will (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 9:26), the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished, but life continues beyond the eons,as Paul teaches at 1 Cor. 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." That is, the last, the final one in order.
How will it be destroyed? First Corinthians 15:22 gives the answer:
"For as IN ADAM ALL are dying, even so IN CHRIST ALL shall be made alive."
Notice that it doesn't say "all who are in Christ shall be made alive."
Of course they will, but that's not what God said here.
The wording of the Greek is clear, and it says "in Christ shall all be made alive."
Death (including the second death) is abolished when ALL have been vivified, or made alive, IN CHRIST.
There will then be no more death, including no more second death.
Just as life is destroyed by death, so death is destroyed by life.
Our present bodies are mortal and corruptible (1 Cor. 15:44-55),
but when mankind is made alive IN CHRIST they will be raised immortal and incorruptible.
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Matt. 25:46 shows the "eonian chastisement" and "eonian life" are of the same duration-lasting during the eons, and when the eons end, as Scripture states they will (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 9:26), the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished, but life continues beyond the eons,as Paul teaches at 1 Cor. 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." That is, the last, the final one in order.
Sigh....even YLT uses the word "PUNISHMENT", yet you somehow manage to twist it into 'chastisement'.
The Bible talks about this age, and the age to come - eternal life.
Yes, death will be thrown in the lake of fire with Satan, his angels and unbelievers.
Salvation out of the lake of fire which is the 2nd death
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Sigh....even YLT uses the word "PUNISHMENT", yet you somehow manage to twist it into 'chastisement'.
God's punishment is always corrective in nature.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective punishment) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
Also see what other Greek scholars say about it Chapter Eleven
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The Bible talks about this age, and the age to come - eternal life.
No it doesn't. It literally says and the age to come, life eonian.
Unbelievers will not enjoy that age but will experience the second death instead.
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Yes, death will be thrown in the lake of fire with Satan, his angels and unbelievers.
Everyone who is thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.
It sure sounds like you pick any translation which glorifies your theories.
So, exactly how long is age-during life that God promises to those who believe in Him? A year? Hundred years?
Hi Finn_Jarber, I'm going to answer that question and my answer is contrary to many universalists. Aionios Life is life that is age-continuing life. For someone to say that God's life is age-during is such a blasphemous statement. What God's life is - is age-continuing life. All of us are being punishment (as the children of Adam who have been cast out of Paradise and worthy of death as is appointed us). Some are going to experience Aionion Punishment (age-continuing punishment) while others are going to experience (age-continuing) life.
So how long is Aionion life? - the word aionios doesn't address an end point. It only addresses a continuing point. So the endpoint is effectively CONCEALED from us.
Hi Finn_Jarber, I'm going to answer that question and my answer is contrary to many universalists. Aionios Life is life that is age-continuing life. For someone to say that God's life is age-during is such a blasphemous statement. What God's life is - is age-continuing life. All of us are being punishment (as the children of Adam who have been cast out of Paradise and worthy of death as is appointed us). Some are going to experience Aionion Punishment (age-continuing punishment) while others are going to experience (age-continuing) life.
So how long is Aionion life? - the word aionios doesn't address an end point. It only addresses a continuing point. So the endpoint is effectively CONCEALED from us.
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The original word - αἰώνιον aionion - is employed in the New Testament 66 times. Of these, in 51 instances it is used of the happiness of the righteous; in two, of God's existence; in six, of the church and the Messiah's kingdom; and in the remaining seven, of the future punishment of the wicked. If in these seven instances we attach to the word the idea of limited duration, consistency requires that the same idea of limited duration should be given it in the 51 cases of its application to the future glory of the righteous, and the two instances of its application to God's existence, and the six eases of its appropriation to the future reign of the Messiah and the glory and perpetuity of the church. But no one will presume to deny that in these instances it denotes unlimited duration, and therefore, in accordance with the sound laws of interpretation and of language itself, the same sense of unlimited duration must be given it when used of future punishment - Owen, in loc
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