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Sounds just a little more merciful than frying eternally . How on earth did we paint such a picture of Him,and believe it without batting an eye lid,and remain shocked beyond imagination with the atrocities of Hitler and the like.
I keep saying it,but i am glad we are not living in the dark ages, and the justice system of the world is a much fairer one than that of fundamental christianity because we'd be toast.
You never know ... The right charismatic fundamentalist neocon running for presidency, and you could see a repeat of the whole Nazi Germany scenario.
But i put my faith in God, and trust in his will as much as i can. I have to believe that all the tragedy and destruction in this mad world has a reason and purpose for existing, and that God is in control and working all things out for the better ...
You never know ... The right charismatic fundamentalist neocon running for presidency, and you could see a repeat of the whole Nazi Germany scenario.
But i put my faith in God, and trust in his will as much as i can. I have to believe that all the tragedy and destruction in this mad world has a reason and purpose for existing, and that God is in control and working all things out for the better ...
Human terms tend to establish time constraints on every thing.
God is not limited to any of those things, has never been in a hurry , and you can't hurry Him either.
Every person is going to be examined both by Him and all of man as well.
Your name will come up, and before all humanity, the question will be asked "Are there any complaints against thins person ? Since God deals in truth and no lie or excuse can be fabricated to fool him or twist the truth; and a determination will be made concerning you. If no defence exists on your behalf you are consigned to the appropreate punishment .
This included christians as well , no one is exempt from this examination. Christians will be under another examination as well. This one is a determination of one's obedience to God on a personal level . If that does not exist, their clame as a christian is a lie, and, all liars are consigned to hell (Revelations)This includes false teachers and false prophets as well.
False teachers include any one speaking with out the express instruction of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said we are accountable for every word that we speak even idle conversation. Even I will be examined as well, even in this communication, whether it be of my own, or by direction.
If one does not take seriously those things Jesus taught ,they disobey God . Matthew 17;5,
Human terms tend to establish time constraints on every thing.
God is not limited to any of those things, has never been in a hurry , and you can't hurry Him either.
Every person is going to be examined both by Him and all of man as well.
Your name will come up, and before all humanity, the question will be asked "Are there any complaints against thins person ? Since God deals in truth and no lie or excuse can be fabricated to fool him or twist the truth; and a determination will be made concerning you. If no defence exists on your behalf you are consigned to the appropreate punishment .
This included christians as well , no one is exempt from this examination. Christians will be under another examination as well. This one is a determination of one's obedience to God on a personal level . If that does not exist, their clame as a christian is a lie, and, all liars are consigned to hell (Revelations)This includes false teachers and false prophets as well.
False teachers include any one speaking with out the express instruction of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said we are accountable for every word that we speak even idle conversation. Even I will be examined as well, even in this communication, whether it be of my own, or by direction.
If one does not take seriously those things Jesus taught ,they disobey God . Matthew 17;5,
Human terms tend to establish time constraints on every thing.
God is not limited to any of those things, has never been in a hurry , and you can't hurry Him either.
Every person is going to be examined both by Him and all of man as well.
Your name will come up, and before all humanity, the question will be asked "Are there any complaints against thins person ? Since God deals in truth and no lie or excuse can be fabricated to fool him or twist the truth; and a determination will be made concerning you. If no defence exists on your behalf you are consigned to the appropreate punishment .
This included christians as well , no one is exempt from this examination. Christians will be under another examination as well. This one is a determination of one's obedience to God on a personal level . If that does not exist, their clame as a christian is a lie, and, all liars are consigned to hell (Revelations)This includes false teachers and false prophets as well.
False teachers include any one speaking with out the express instruction of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said we are accountable for every word that we speak even idle conversation. Even I will be examined as well, even in this communication, whether it be of my own, or by direction.
If one does not take seriously those things Jesus taught ,they disobey God . Matthew 17;5,
A ministry of fear upon yourself is what i am reading here . To be so introspective is enough to destroy anyone , because at the end of the day flesh will always be flesh and if that is your focus , you don't need God to condemn you , you will be doing a good job of condemning yourself. A dose of knowledge of what we are in Christ is what i would prescribe to you friend.
That the communication of your faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is inyou in Christ Jesus.Philemon1:6
You never know ... The right charismatic fundamentalist neocon running for presidency, and you could see a repeat of the whole Nazi Germany scenario.
I have posted similar comments many times only to be accused of being a paranoid atheist. Bush 43 is a vivid reminder of how a fool, but professing that he is 'born again' can rise to power, and he was about as charismatic as a rabid Chihuahua.
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Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776
But i put my faith in God, and trust in his will as much as i can. I have to believe that all the tragedy and destruction in this mad world has a reason and purpose for existing, and that God is in control and working all things out for the better ...
Sadly this half of your post is wrong, to believe that god is in control is dangerous, reckless, and a fallacy. Men are in control, men with agendas, prejudices, and the delusion they are doing their gods bidding. Granted, men will always have agendas and prejudices, but when given the disguise of religion the danger rises exponentially.
Do impenitent sinners suffer conscious punishment in body and soul for all eternity, or are they annihilated by God in the second death after suffering a temporary punishment?
How about considering a third option Verna?
In the introduction to his exposition on why he changed from believing that the Bible teaches annihilation to believing that the Bible teaches universal salvation, Gary Amirault wrote
"When it comes to the final destination of the wicked, or unrighteous, Christians over the past two millenniums have divided themselves into three beliefs: 1. Eternal Torment, 2. Eternal Death (Annihilationism), and
3. Salvation of the whole world through Jesus Christ. Each of these views can be supported with Scriptures.
Having been in all three groups, I know that there are sincere Bible centered believers in all of them.
Obviously, all three cannot be true. Two of them have to be false."
(end of quote)
As one who is already a UR, I found it to be a very convincing exposition.
I'm not sure what affect it will have on ANs
AN and UR have some commonality, its just a matter of interpretation...
Take a statement like "the wicked will be destroyed".
AN sees that as the wicked people being annihilated. However... we are all wicked in our own ways... are we all going to be annihilated?
The UR viewpoint sees it as the wickedness will be destroyed out of us... we will be changed, made to be no longer wicked... therefore the wicked will truly be destroyed - there will be no longer any wicked when all wickedness is removed.
AN and UR have some commonality, its just a matter of interpretation...
Take a statement like "the wicked will be destroyed".
AN sees that as the wicked people being annihilated. However... we are all wicked in our own ways... are we all going to be annihilated?
The UR viewpoint sees it as the wickedness will be destroyed out of us... we will be changed, made to be no longer wicked... therefore the wicked will truly be destroyed - there will be no longer any wicked when all wickedness is removed.
legoman, I also found Southwood Smith's article enlightening on the subject.
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. How on earth did we paint such a picture of Him,and believe it without batting an eye lid,and remain shocked beyond imagination with the atrocities of Hitler and the like.
How about considering a third option
