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Shawn, I am curious as to how can you state that Lucifer is Satan when the human spoken of was entombed and had sons etc? Has Satan ever died?
Know satan has never died.
Lucifer as described was described in Isaiah 14:12
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
Now Jesus talks about Satan fallen from heaven again. Luke 10:18
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19
So, did two different people fall. Lucifer, Satan, devil are these three different people, no.
God has many names also, but He is the same. And when giving God another name, you usually read about a different charac. that He has.
In Gen. there is a snake, so is the snake the same or different, different look, same person or spirit.
but Satan was cast out as he said, he was roaming the earth.
In Job, Satan appears before God. God asks him what he was doing.
Job 1:7 Yahweh said to Satan, From where are you coming? Then Satan answered Yahweh and said, From going to and fro in the earth and from walking about in it.
That is part of his job.
Today he walks about the earth:1Pe 5:8 Be sober! Watch! For your plaintiff, the Adversary, is walking about as a roaring lion, seeking someone to swallow up;"
He is also the prince of the power of the air: Eph 2:2 in which once you walked, in accord with the eon of this world, in accord with the chief of the jurisdiction of the air, the spirit now operating in the sons of stubbornness "
But he has not been cast out of heaven yet. That is still future.
Maybe you are thinking of this?
Rev 12:3 And seen was another sign in heaven, and lo! a great fiery-red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads seven diadems." Rev 12:4 And its tail is dragging a third of the stars of heaven, and casts them into the earth. And the dragon stands before the woman who is about to be bringing forth, that it may be devouring her child whenever she may be bringing forth"
But that is still future.
In Job, Satan appears before God. God asks him what he was doing.
Yahweh said to Satan, From where are you coming? Then Satan answered Yahweh and said, From going to and fro in
But he has not been cast out of heaven yet. That is still future.
Maybe you are thinking of this?
No that passage is clear, Satan was cast out by then and he is under the will of God. I believe Satan, Lucifer, the devil was cast out of heaven during the 6 days of creation.
No that passage is clear, Satan was cast out by then and he is under the will of God. I believe Satan, Lucifer, the devil was cast out of heaven during the 6 days of creation.
But if Satan was cast out of heaven during the 6 days of creation are you saying that the book of Job was written before the 6 days of creation where Satan is still going before God and the sons of God in heaven?
Lucifer as described was described in Isaiah 14:12
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
Now Jesus talks about Satan fallen from heaven again. Luke 10:18
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19
So, did two different people fall. Lucifer, Satan, devil are these three different people, no.
God has many names also, but He is the same. And when giving God another name, you usually read about a different charac. that He has.
In Gen. there is a snake, so is the snake the same or different, different look, same person or spirit.
"I beheld Satan as lightning falling out of heaven. Lo! I have given you authority to be treading upon serpents and scorpions
and on the entire power which is of the enemy, and nothing will be injuring you under any circumstances."
"This has no reference to the so-called "fall" of Satan in the past, of which the Scriptures know nothing, but has an immediate and particular application to Satan's actions in response to the distress among his demon minions under the power of Christ's name in the ministry of the seventy-two disciples. He dashes like lightning out of heaven to earth to render them aid. The expression, "falling," has no reference here to "casting out" Satan, but is often used of the descent of some celestial being from heaven, so swift as to be spoken of "as lightning" or a "star falling." Note the following Scripture:
"And the fifth messenger trumpets. And I perceived a star falling out of heaven into the earth. And to him was given the key of the well of the abyss" (Rev.9:1,2).
"SATAN TO BE CAST OUT
"About the middle of the "one seven," wherein the covenant is empowered with many of Daniel's people (Dan.9:27), corresponding to the time when the fifth seal is broken in the Revelation (6:9), Satan and his host of wicked forces among the celestials are ejected out of their place in heaven and cast down to the earth.
"And a battle occurred in heaven. Michael and his messengers battle with the dragon, and the dragon battles, and its messengers. And they are not strong enough for him, neither was their place still found in heaven.
"And the great dragon was cast down, who is the ancient serpent called Slanderer and Satan, who is deceiving the whole inhabited earth. It was cast into the earth, and its messengers were cast with it.
"And I hear a loud voice in heaven saying: `Now came the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, seeing that the accuser of our brethren was cast down, who was accusing them before our God day and night. And they conquer him through the blood of the Lambkin, and because of the word of their testimony, and they love not their soul unto death. Therefore, make merry, O heavens, and those tabernacling in them! Woe to the land and the sea, seeing that the Slanderer descended to you having great fury, being aware that the season he has is brief'" (Rev.12:7-12).
"A comparison of Daniel 7:25; 9:27; Revelation 12:6; 13:2-5, reveals that the "brief season" which is allotted to Satan after his expulsion from heaven is the last half of the "one seven" of Daniel's prophecy, a period of three and a half years, forty-two months, or twelve hundred and sixty days." (A.E. Knoch, Unsearchable Riches, vol.21)
But if Satan was cast out of heaven during the 6 days of creation are you saying that the book of Job was written before the 6 days of creation where Satan is still going before God and the sons of God in heaven?
No this was after the creation. Satan is probably still going to and from God accusing us.
Lucifer as described was described in Isaiah 14:12
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
Now Jesus talks about Satan fallen from heaven again. Luke 10:18
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19
So, did two different people fall. Lucifer, Satan, devil are these three different people, no.
God has many names also, but He is the same. And when giving God another name, you usually read about a different charac. that He has.
In Gen. there is a snake, so is the snake the same or different, different look, same person or spirit.
Isaiah 14:12
This isn't a reference about Satan aka Lucifer, the arc enemy of god. Verse 4 tells us who this is speaking about...
Isaiah 14:4 "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:
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