Then there's the truth .... God DOES hate (Satanist, reject, passages)
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I use the version that is consistent with God who IS agape love, Vizio. Knowing what hate IS and why God cannot possibly hate is just one instance of the intelligent reading of scripture using the Spirit of agape love . . . who IS God.
And hey....who are WE to disagree with YOUR reading of it?
Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness (ou aphesis eis aion - not forgiveness unto the age), but is in danger of aionios krisis (judgment of the age).
Matthew 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world (aion - age), neither in the world (aion - age) to come.
What does this have to do with Universalism? I did not bait anyone. .
Anybody (like myself) who has any history with dealing with you and folks like yourself knew there was enough vagueness that there was code words for what you were hinting at, which is why Vizio immediately countered " How do you reconcile this belief with the clear teachings that Revelation states the sinner will be tossed into the fire?"
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Originally Posted by ShanaBrown
If you were that concerned, Twin, that this was a bait for Universalism, then you should have said something then. .
1) I gave you the benefit of the doubt
2) If I had, wanna bet somebody would have accused me of being closed minded \ paranoid \ what are you afraid of .... this is an open forum anybody can post here ....
You saw me as baiting, Twin, because that is what comes to your mind, when you see me posting on anything. You associate that with me and so you filter everything that I post through this. It's human nature, I guess. There was nothing about Universalism in that post at all. God bless.
I use the version that is consistent with God who IS agape love, Vizio. Knowing what hate IS and why God cannot possibly hate is just one instance of the intelligent reading of scripture using the Spirit of agape love . . . who IS God.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
And hey....who are WE to disagree with YOUR reading of it?
You are not disagreeing with my reading of it . . . you are disagreeing with my knowledge of the origin of hate within the human psyche. Disagreeing with extant knowledge seems to be the cornerstone of fundamentalist religious belief . . . sad to say.
Vizio, you and I do not agree on much--except perhaps this topic.
As nate suggested . . . food for thought, Warden.
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Now MysticPhd is consistent. If scripture isn't to his liking he cuts it out of the Bible. The only problem is his belief is not Christian, it is something arising from Christianity.
Not cut, Warden . . . reinterpret using agape love as the context for God's motives instead of the human weaknesses of anger, hate, vengeance, jealousy, etc.
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The bare faced truth is that there is much dichotomy in Christianity. When two verses don't equate most people reject one or the other, or trump one with the other. My faith requires reconciliation of the two--that both may be equally true in the whole or only in part. So I have no problem accepting that God hates sin and sinners while, exactly BECAUSE He hates them, He sent His Son to display His grace and mercy for all who would accept it. And yes, there is an acceptance to Jesus in one's life-- as foretold by the story of the Hebrews wandering in the desert. They grumbled against God because of fiery serpents that were biting them. With that sin of lack of faith, Moses raised a snake on a pole so that all who were bitten could look up to it in faith that God would spare them---and He did. (Numbers 21:4-9)
This allegory refers to the source of all human "grumbling" . . . our inner Serpent (animal nature) that we are to overcome in "love of God and each other." The Serpent on the pole reminded them that Jesus overcame His inner Serpent "grumblings" through horrendous scourging and crucifixion in love for us all.
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Meanwhile God says, "You people need more fiery serpents!!!"
Wrong. God says you need to overcome your fiery Serpents and endure to the end in "love of God and each other."
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And this is the way the thread runs---a non-hateful God adds more fiery serpents as some perish without ever looking toward the cross, uh, the snake on the pole, while others see the beauty that arises from the anguish of the trial of fiery serpents and move on.
I'm moving on.
Moving on in your current walk is no problem whatever, Warden. Your walk has never been the issue . . . but your belief about God's motives and true nature IS. Peace.
You saw me as baiting, Twin, because that is what comes to your mind, when you see me posting on anything. You associate that with me and so you filter everything that I post through this. It's human nature, I guess. There was nothing about Universalism in that post at all. God bless.
It's not anything about human nature ... it knowing the nature of universalism.
I tend to believe that Jeremiah 13:23 is true.
Which conveys this thought:
When I see this
............ it's only a matter of time before universalism appears
No, Twin, it was only you, seeing something that wasn't there to begin with. Then when I came into respond to other posters who posted about UR, you say that I was the one that started it. God bless.
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