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Old 12-27-2016, 11:55 PM
 
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I don't even want to know about people's sins UNLESS they need a shoulder to cry on. If the Protestant churches are anything like the Catholic Church, there is bound to be plenty of sin at the top. The truth is, POWER corrupts. I think that is why Jesus is the only one between us and God, because if you give anyone power over others, it tends to corrupt them. I am accountable to God first and foremost. I am accountable to others if I break laws or cross boundaries.
That is why Jesus specifically forbade hierarchy and placed no one in charge.
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Old 12-28-2016, 03:32 AM
 
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Since you quit arguing about who monitors pastor's sins and started ranting about kids reading Harry Potter books, I assumed we answered all your questions. No?
Sin monitoring of others by anyone in any form is proof you are still under the law(owned by it).
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Sin monitoring of others by anyone in any form is proof you are still under the law(owned by it).
That's like going to a hospital, but refusing treatment. Christians are supposed to be overcoming sin, not continuing in it. If you saw a Christian brother committing public sin, it is your duty to speak to him about it, privately at first.

This assumes you are not living in sin yourself.

James 5

19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

1 Cor. 5

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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It is telling that you, jimmie and jeffbase see honesty as a "snarky attitude".
If a lot of people have issue with you, maybe it's you....
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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That's like going to a hospital, but refusing treatment. Christians are supposed to be overcoming sin, not continuing in it. If you saw a Christian brother committing public sin, it is your duty to speak to him about it, privately at first.

This assumes you are not living in sin yourself.

James 5

19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

1 Cor. 5

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.

And so no wonder the scripture says LOVE covers a multitude of sins, and notice what that love is connected to. Peace
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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When did VOTING enter the churches? Is this in the bible? If so, it's got to be from Paul.
Many Protestant churches function as a democracy, to keep the pastor from ruling over the church, which Jesus forbade.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Many Protestant churches function as a democracy, to keep the pastor from ruling over the church, which Jesus forbade.
Some churches operate on the idea that it is not about what the majority likes, but about seeking God's leading in any matter.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:25 PM
 
Location: New England
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That's like going to a hospital, but refusing treatment. Christians are supposed to be overcoming sin, not continuing in it. If you saw a Christian brother committing public sin, it is your duty to speak to him about it, privately at first.

This assumes you are not living in sin yourself.

James 5

19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

1 Cor. 5

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.
Not at all. Folk who are sick do not need to be told they are sick to seek help, if you are an ignorant savage then maybe. I think anyone monitoring someone just in case they fall sick, is the one who is sick and needs to be told they are.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Some churches operate on the idea that it is not about what the majority likes, but about seeking God's leading in any matter.
True. That's why we have elders/deacons, who are supposed to be spiritually mature. Any "voting" should be done only after prayerful consideration.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Not at all. Folk who are sick do not need to be told they are sick to seek help, if you are an ignorant savage then maybe. I think anyone monitoring someone just in case they fall sick, is the one who is sick and needs to be told they are.
Your rejection of scripture is duly noted.
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