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Old 06-11-2016, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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That an element of the people who believed in the Way thought that following their traditional rules was the correct interpretation of the Way is manifest. That it is true is not so evident. NO Law can be perfect, but the INTENT of the Law is, and it is fulfilled in the "New Commandment" that overrides the letters of Law that bind you.
You don't believe the statement Jesus said of the law? Then we see those believers saying,'' But Jesus, we did miracles in your name and taught your name in the streets,''


''Depart from me you lawbreakers.''


''I never knew you.''


Lawless times.
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Old 06-11-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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You don't believe the statement Jesus said of the law? Then we see those believers saying,'' But Jesus, we did miracles in your name and taught your name in the streets,''


''Depart from me you lawbreakers.''


''I never knew you.''


Lawless times.

Again, glossed over by most. The lawless one has to be revealed, and he is being revealed now before He returns. Yet most won't hear it, having been put to sleep by the fables of men who exalted themselves above the body and desired to have their souls for themselves, as the sin of the Nicolatians and then breaking the law of coveting another man's wife. Peace
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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You both remain clueless as to the difference between law and principle. I can't seem to help you.
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:22 PM
 
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Apparently you people either don't read or can't understand and absorb explanations no matter how often they are given. Here John even acknowledged that the "New Commandment" that Jesus gave before His crucifixion was not really new, but then goes on to say, " 8Then again, I am also writing you a new commandment, which is true in Him and also in you. For the darkness is fading and the true light is already shining. 9If anyone claims to be in the light but hates his brother, he is still in the darkness." And the point remains that the New Commandment is only "new" in that it is now the basis for the "New Covenant." Of course you don't believe the New Covenant because you need to keep the old one for the sake of your religion and your pride.
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That an element of the people who believed in the Way thought that following their traditional rules was the correct interpretation of the Way is manifest. That it is true is not so evident. NO Law can be perfect, but the INTENT of the Law is, and it is fulfilled in the "New Commandment" that overrides the letters of Law that bind you.
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You don't believe the statement Jesus said of the law? Then we see those believers saying,'' But Jesus, we did miracles in your name and taught your name in the streets,''
''Depart from me you lawbreakers.''
''I never knew you.''
Lawless times.
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Again, glossed over by most. The lawless one has to be revealed, and he is being revealed now before He returns. Yet most won't hear it, having been put to sleep by the fables of men who exalted themselves above the body and desired to have their souls for themselves, as the sin of the Nicolatians and then breaking the law of coveting another man's wife. Peace
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You both remain clueless as to the difference between law and principle. I can't seem to help you.
You are dealing with unreasoning credulity and a commitment to obedience over all else. It is a natural outgrowth of a fear-driven belief system and cannot be reasoned with, nate, though you have done an excellent job of trying. Perhaps the lurkers will benefit.
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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Hmmm.... we need law in the death realm to restrain evil. That's all I will say about that.

Except, as I recall, I believe the scripture says somewhere: "The LAW is GOOD when used LAWFULLY." But the law has certainly been abused a lot as well.

Mystic, you know that obedience has a blessing with it. I would not tell people to disobey their consciences.
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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Hmmm.... we need law in the death realm to restrain evil. That's all I will say about that.
Except, as I recall, I believe the scripture says somewhere: "The LAW is GOOD when used LAWFULLY." But the law has certainly been abused a lot as well.
No, the law is a poor substitute for agape love which would eliminate any need for law if it were universally practiced. Laws are for worldly human problems, not spiritual ones.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:47 AM
 
Location: US
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You are dealing with unreasoning credulity and a commitment to obedience over all else. It is a natural outgrowth of a fear-driven belief system and cannot be reasoned with, nate, though you have done an excellent job of trying. Perhaps the lurkers will benefit.
I don't fear....So how do you explain me?....
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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No, the law is a poor substitute for agape love which would eliminate any need for law if it were universally practiced. Laws are for worldly human problems, not spiritual ones.
Yes indeed, it is good when you obey the royal law as found in the Scriptures: "Love your neighbor as yourself." - James 2:8
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:15 AM
 
Location: New England
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I don't fear....So how do you explain me?....
The only way to not have fear( a fear due to a poor image of God we've held) before God is to have confidence before him. How have you confidence before him?.
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Old 06-12-2016, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I don't fear....So how do you explain me?....
Egregious egotism and a couple of bricks shy?
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