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Old 08-30-2017, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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For an analogy, how about a long car trip without a map of any kind, in a foreign non English speaking country, without any money, credit cards, phone or even the ability to see out your windows? That's about what trying to understand G-d is like and what He expects, what He has set in motion, without the book. But please....go on and drive away....oh, and no one to tell you to..... LOOK OUT FOR THAT CLIFF!.....either. Peace
How about a "Guide" as promised; someone who knows the culture and the country and who has our best inerests at heart.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I think she has described it, by virtue of the fact that she accepts the entire bible and every description of God within it, as a description of the spirit she follows. That's her thing, that's her belief about God, that's what it boils down to.

So, no, Jerwade isn't clueless, anymore than any of us are who have regularly been in discussions with her. He knows what she believes and doesn't agree with her understanding of God, and she doesn't agree with his. She has said that people who don't see the bible the way she does aren't following God/Jesus, and perhaps others think the same of her.

I think what matters more than who anyone thinks anyone else is following, is knowing that God is drawing each of us from wherever we stand in any given moment and knows how to bring us to where we belong. That's God's mission. And all the discussions here, they serve a purpose in that.

Just my thoughts.
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Cogent and insightful as always, Pleroo.
Indeed.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The Word that was in the beginning...would that be accurate, Mystic? Before
vocal chords and pen and paper? That Word?

The Roadmap to Disney World is not Disney World.
Neither are the ramp or the Exit sign...
The Word used in the NT would be better translated as the Plan or the Idea.

HELPS Word-studies from BibleHub
3056 lógos (from 3004 /légō, "speaking to a conclusion") – a word, being the expression of a thought; a saying. 3056 /lógos ("word") is preeminently used of Christ (Jn 1:1), expressing the thoughts of the Father through the Spirit.

[3056 (lógos) is a common term (used 330 times in the NT) with regards to a person sharing a message (discourse, "communication-speech"). 3056 (lógos) is a broad term meaning "reasoning expressed by words."]
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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"Faith takes knowing what love can accomplish."
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What verse is that?
A strong relationship (house) is built on the foundation of love.

Ephesians 3:14-19
For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

To coin a phrase: Love is the root of our faith.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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An inbuilt one. What use is the peace of God the leads us forth being outside of us?. The road map is for those who are lost.
and you are never lost ? then I will just say good for you or maybe open your eyes child!
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:40 PM
 
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Ironic when someone uses Scripture to argue against using Scripture, isn't it? I mean.....you can't make that stuff up!
I had a good laugh. Well said.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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God IS a Spirit and IS the Word, NOT the Bible or any other writing by men. Jesus IS the embodiment of the Word in a human consciousness, NOT the Law or the words "written in ink."

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


The Word was made FLESH, NOT a BOOK!!!
Hardly.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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I am not deaf to what you are saying. This thread is about a mission to bring people to Jesus but you are bringing them to a BOOK!
The servant of God is the way the truth and the life which is God's word. Those who bring the word of God to others are the Servant of God which makes them the way the truth and the life. That is how the Son frees you.

"If the Son frees you, you shall truly be free."

If the servant of God frees you and you serve the Father in spirit and truth you will walk in the heavenly kingdom and see the presence of the Most High.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Ironic when someone uses Scripture to argue against using Scripture, isn't it? I mean.....you can't make that stuff up!
Yes, it is, but that doesn't stop you from using a verse to trump another verse, as if that's possible?
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Old 08-30-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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An inbuilt one. What use is the peace of God the leads us forth being outside of us?. The road map is for those who are lost.

No it's not. As I just shared in another thread, milk, meat and bread (hidden manna) are all in the scriptures, but as anyone can plainly see, you can only partake of what is needed for your growth at that particular time. Otherwise, it's like the thunder they heard; you hear the sound but there's no understanding of what it means. Which is why you DON'T throw the book away, as you only limit yourself and stunt your own growth. Peacce
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