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I would like to thank Kjoe once again for demonstrating the moral vacuity and absence of intellect which characterizes the American Christian fundie.
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Originally Posted by KJoe11
Many on this forum spread false Christian information.
You want 'Christian information'? I (as well as others) have given enough Bible information (forget about your 'Christian information') to have ended this discussion many moons ago. You, KJoe, are biblically inept and yet you keep showing up here spouting your ignorance pertaining to both 'homosexuality' and 'the Bible'. You have no biblical leg to stand on since, yet again I say, the Bible authors had no clue about human sexuality. And, even if they did, there are no references to 'homosexuality' (as per the actual definition of the term) in the Bible. How come you don't know that? How come, NOT knowing that, you keep showing up here flaunting that ignorance? You seem to think that you're dealing with people who came down in the last shower, KJoe. I can assure you that you are NOT dealing with such people.
One more time. You are inept when it comes to Bible hermeneutics and you are ignorant when it comes to human sexuality. It doesn't look good, KJoe. What IS the point one even bothering to continue dialog with you?
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Originally Posted by KJoe11
And the only reason that I visit this cesspool of thought and philosophy on this board is that there may be just one person who gives pause.
Your reason is flawed, KJoe. Hopefully, there are visitors to this thread who will, if the subject is that important to them, SERIOUSLY study the infamous 'clobber texts' of the Bible for themselves. That's ALL they need to do to come to the conclusion that you're a theological ignoramus. I really can't think of too much more to say to you since you're a brick wall.
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Originally Posted by KJoe11
They may realize that perhaps that the Lord is not ok with their sin and serious repercussions may be waiting for them after their death.
'The Lord' is SO not okay with homosexuality that He never spoke about it ...neither 'for' or 'against'. Where do you get your theological information, KJoe? Certainly not from the Bible.
Why would Jesus have to say something about it? Most people knew it was the reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah as well as specifically prohibited in the OT. Why would God call it an abomination if He intended people to be gay? Huh, got an answer for that one?
You have already been enlightened, but refuse to open your eyes.
No, I'm arguing fundamentalist "christianity" is evil. And it is.
Did you see my latest "fact" based link where eight of the top ten states with the most hate groups per capita are in the Bible Belt?
Not yet ready to argue against the facts that wherever YOUR Bible beliefs are most prevalent, people suffer the most and are involved in the most sexual "sins," along with divorce, porn addiction, prevalence of AIDS, teen pregnancy, poverty, poor healthcare, higher crime, including murder in spite of longer incarceration rates.
The only common denominator for all these -- the way YOU view the Bible.
Why should any thinking individual pay any attention to your lies and twisting which aren't an attempt to convince anyone but yourself?
You can't say it's "hateful" if it's a fact, can you? Seems someone of your ilk said that! OH! That was YOU!
So you believe The U.S. state prison system be " 66% " Christian population.
I don't know what the "christian" population is. But it's far greater than atheists.
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Most importantly though, Caroline, you appear to be right about religiosity in prison. Overall, almost 1 in every 1,000 prisoners will identify as atheist compared to 1 in every 100 Americans.
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Anyway, you’re right about religiosity in prison Caroline: Atheists are underrepresented.
You were the one who said that homosexuality was against nature. It's not. Why did Jesus say nothing against it? Why is it not in the 10 Commandments?
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Originally Posted by Jeffbase40"
Why would Jesus have to say something about it?
Um, perhaps because the topic would create much division within the future Christian Church as well as lead to heated 'theological debates' such as this one?
Naw, I'm sure THAT would not have been the reason for Jesus' silence on the matter. I would be more open to the idea that 'homosexuality' was a subject that was not even on Jesus' radar. I mean, let's face it, Jeff ...it clearly was not, was it? This silence from Jesus on the matter bothers you, doesn't it? Wouldn't it just SO serve your purpose had Jesus condemned homosexuality? I really can feel your frustration. Also, that of the author of your link below.
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Originally Posted by Jeffbase40"
Most people knew it was the reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah . . .
As always ...a complete fabrication, Jeff!! THIS is a challenge. Offer up ANY Bible chapter and verse that even HINTS that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality or otherwise show yourself up as being a liar!!
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Originally Posted by Jeffbase40"
. . .as well as specifically prohibited in the OT. Why would God call it an abomination if He intended people to be gay? Huh, got an answer for that one?
Why? The same reason 'God' (rather it was a 'man' and not 'God' that penned the early books of the Old Testament) 'hated' other 'abominations' that YOU, Jeff, probably partake of and don't give it a second's thought. How do you feel when you eat 'unclean' foods that are an 'abomination' to God? Oh, that's right ...I keep forgetting. Those 'inconvenient to us abominations' were abolished at the cross. You know, someone ought to open up a thread entitled ...The Abominations of Past and Present. We would see so much 'cherry-picking' going on from frustrated 'fundies' attempting to make the pieces fit that it would make one's head spin ...just like that of the girl in The Exorcist!
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Originally Posted by Jeffbase40
Jesus perfectly described the NATURAL design for man and woman
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This is an argument from silence, but the silence doesn’t take place in a vacuum. Jesus addresses and defines marriage in Matthew 19:4–6 and Mark 10:6–9 using both Genesis 1:26–27 and Genesis 2:24 to parse it out. Here Jesus defines and affirms marriage as between a man and a woman, a reflection of the fact that God made us male and female to care for creation together. With this definition, same-sex marriage is excluded. Had Jesus wished to extend the right of marriage beyond this definition, here was his opportunity. But he didn’t take it.
Jesus never discussed same-sex marriage because the way he defined marriage already excluded it. He was not as silent on the topic as some claim.
Whatever spin you and your link authors attempt to put on this, Jeff, Jesus STILL said NOTHING about homosexuality. That's just the way it is, so ...get over it. Yes, male and female are necessary for procreation but not necessarily for 'intimacy' as we plainly see from human history.
What IS IT, Jeff, that bothers YOU about this topic? Forget about the Bible that you use simply as a crutch for your personal dislike of gay, um, closeness. What IS the difference between straight and gay intimacy (in your imagination since you aren't actually present) that causes you such distress?
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