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And most of what comes out of your mouth is vile, rude and antagonistically garbage. I never compared gay people to those groups. Keep on lying about that. I'm sure intelligent people know exactly what I meant. In your wacky world, if I said gays are a group of people. Nazis are another group of people. Then you would say I am comparing them side by side. WRONG.
Yes, you have Jeffery. It has been pointed out to you numerous times, by numerous posters of numerous different beliefs. Only you and a few select fundies are still clinging to the denial.
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Disease ridden? It is hate to point out real hardcore facts? Sorry that you can't handle reality. It's more hateful to just pretend it's not a problem out of fear that you might offend someone if you bring it up.
Still haven't pointed out any "hardcore facts" about gay women though, have you? What is the std facts for them, Jeffery? No one has claimed there is no problem at all, but most of us are evolved enough not to lump an entire group together, as you do. For instance, I could make a claim that Christians in the US are pedophiles. After all, the large majority of pedophiles are Christians, and pastors/priests/etc are constantly being arrested for pedophilia and child pornography. So is it okay for me to claim Christians are a bunch of pedophiles? No.
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I don't support discrimination unless it interfers with other people's rights. That is not being hateful. Being hateful is seeking to destroy that other person and burn their life to the ground just because you don't get your way. Kinda infantile behavior if you ask me.
If you say "unless", then you do support it. And once again, even though you obviously don't get it, your religious rights do not trump everyone else's rights. If you own a business, you don't get to decide who you will and won't serve, because you (not you specifically, Jeff) are a primitive idiot. That isn't how it works. If you don't want to serve gay weddings, because you are a primitive idiot, then stop selling things that go to weddings.
The only "infantile behavior" here are those who think it is fine to discriminate because they think God may get angry if they don't.
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Nothing more than observations RELEVANT to the discussion based on the given evidence. When I never see anyone on your side condemn the death thre, it's quite a logical assumption that the community is perfectly fine with it. It is not hate to point out real facts and observations. This article perfectly describes the true intolerance that comes from your camp:
We have literally condemned them multiple times just on this thread alone! Are you serious right now?? Now I know that you are either not reading posts at all, or completely ignoring what they say. Which is it?
Yea, I read the first few sentences, and then stopped. Nothing but an ignorant piece of "journalism", crying about not being able to be an ass without consequences. Pass.
I condemn death threats, violence, intimidation...all of that. I also dislike rude behavior on message boards, but I'm not going to be the speech police.
Myself and MQ, maybe others, have condemned death threats, violence, and intimidation within the last few pages of this thread.... Jeff just forgets anything that doesn't fit with his narrative.
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Also, that website Christian Headlines...occasionally I take a peek there. I made the mistake of doing that yesterday, only to find that people are still telling women they can't speak in church (the Beth Moore controversy)!! This is the problem when you take first century Paul and his personal biases, and individual instructions for churches dealing with specific issues, and try to make them relevant to today. That's what people are doing with homosexuality.
Yea, I see why Jeff holds the ignorant views of his, since he seems to get all of his news and information from sites like that one... I couldn't get past the first few sentences...
Some manage to mix subject matter with the attacks, while some others are on pure attack / antagonist mode all the time. I have managed to ignore some of the most toxic posters for a long time (even years), and recently added few more to the "toxic poster" list. I have wasted enough time with them.
Mr. Jarber, that's because you couldn't answer their questions without exposing yourself, please, have some integrity and just be honest for a change. Instead of manipulating and misrepresenting what others have said, you have been doing that for almost a decade on this forum. And, the only one's who don't see it, or refuse to see it are your two amigo's.
I condemn death threats, violence, intimidation...all of that. I also dislike rude behavior on message boards, but I'm not going to be the speech police.
That is good that you do. In the past it has been said that the such things against Christians is 'deserved'. Even yesterday a poster said ill feelings are a direct result of their own behavior.
Exact words from yesterday:
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Question: So do you think all this "hate the fundie" crap isn't going to result in Christians being mistreated and/or violence against Christians? Or do the atheist hatemongers have personal responsibility?
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Answer: I don't think it will as long as fundamentalists stay out of other people's business. This "hate the fundie crap", as you put it, is a direct result of fundamentalist behavior, words, and actions against other human beings, not something that's just been pulled out of thin air. You can't lob the first grenade and then pull a snit when there's return fire.
Me, I condemn such violence outright.
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Some manage to mix subject matter with the attacks, while some others are on pure attack / antagonist mode all the time. I have managed to ignore some of the most toxic posters for a long time (even years), and recently added few more to the "toxic poster" list. I have wasted enough time with them.
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Mr. Jarber, that's because you couldn't answer their questions without exposing yourself, please, have some integrity and just be honest for a change. Instead of manipulating and misrepresenting what others have said, you have been doing that for almost a decade on this forum. And, the only one's who don't see it, or refuse to see it are your two amigo's.
Thanks for proving my point. There is not one word about the topic in this post of yours, or hardly any other post of yours. Its 100% ad hominem.
Yes, you have Jeffery. It has been pointed out to you numerous times, by numerous posters of numerous different beliefs. Only you and a few select fundies are still clinging to the denial.
Your side is too stubborn to ever admit to being wrong. It's laughable that you will deny even the very definition of "equate" in order to hold to this ridiculous attack. It's flat out dishonesty and I'll call you on it every time!!
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Still haven't pointed out any "hardcore facts" about gay women though, have you? What is the std facts for them, Jeffery? No one has claimed there is no problem at all, but most of us are evolved enough not to lump an entire group together, as you do. For instance, I could make a claim that Christians in the US are pedophiles. After all, the large majority of pedophiles are Christians, and pastors/priests/etc are constantly being arrested for pedophilia and child pornography. So is it okay for me to claim Christians are a bunch of pedophiles? No.
The all or nothing mentality is truly a poor argument. In other words, unless I can show that every single gay demographic has STDS then we must ignore them all. Completely irrelevant. Promiscuity has always existed with the gay population. Marriage did nothing to stop that. In fact, it is even getting worse. Yet you would choose to ignore this very real problem. This is the latest news from the CDC:
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Data suggest that multiple factors are contributing to the overall increase in STDs, including:
Drug use, poverty, stigma, and unstable housing, which can reduce access to STD prevention and care
Decreased condom use among vulnerable groups, including young people and gay and bisexual men
When you look at just about any stat involving LGBT, it is almost always negative:
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LGBT youth are 2 to 3 times more likely to attempt suicide.18
LGBT youth are more likely to be homeless.19, 20, 21
Lesbians are less likely to get preventive services for cancer.22, 23
Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and other STDs, especially among communities of color.24 Lesbians and bisexual females are more likely to be overweight or obese.25
Transgender individuals have a high prevalence of HIV/STDs,26 victimization,27 mental health issues,28 and suicide29 and are less likely to have health insurance than heterosexual or LGB individuals.30
Elderly LGBT individuals face additional barriers to health because of isolation and a lack of social services and culturally competent providers.31
LGBT populations have the highest rates of tobacco,32, 33 alcohol,33, 34 and other drug use.33, 35, 36
If you say "unless", then you do support it. And once again, even though you obviously don't get it, your religious rights do not trump everyone else's rights. If you own a business, you don't get to decide who you will and won't serve, because you (not you specifically, Jeff) are a primitive idiot. That isn't how it works. If you don't want to serve gay weddings, because you are a primitive idiot, then stop selling things that go to weddings.
The all or nothing mentality again huh? Nope. Just because I don't support forcing Christians to service gay weddings doesn't mean I'm for denying needed services to gay people.
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We have literally condemned them multiple times just on this thread alone! Are you serious right now?? Now I know that you are either not reading posts at all, or completely ignoring what they say. Which is it?
If you did condemn it, it's only because I called you out on it. That doesn't count. The silence after I posted sickening stories like the couple who received a threat to rape their young child with a broken bottle is much more telling than your comment here.
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Yea, I read the first few sentences, and then stopped. Nothing but an ignorant piece of "journalism", crying about not being able to be an ass without consequences. Pass.
Yes, run away from anything that might challenge your dug in perspective.
That is good that you do. In the past it has been said that the such things against Christians is 'deserved'. Even yesterday a poster said ill feelings are a direct result of their own behavior.
Exact words from yesterday:
Me, I condemn such violence outright.
What violence would that be? Since you are saying that after quoting my post, in which the only reference to violence is a metaphor.
That is good that you do. In the past it has been said that the such things against Christians is 'deserved'. Even yesterday a poster said ill feelings are a direct result of their own behavior.
Exact words from yesterday:
Me, I condemn such violence outright.
Brought upon itself by warring in the flesh instead of the Spirit against that which it is not approving of. I condemn violence too, but the reality is when you go to war, those you see as your enemy are going to react.
Mr. Jarber, that's because you couldn't answer their questions without exposing yourself, please, have some integrity and just be honest for a change. Instead of manipulating and misrepresenting what others have said, you have been doing that for almost a decade on this forum. And, the only one's who don't see it, or refuse to see it are your two amigo's.
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Thanks for proving my point. There is not one word about the topic in this post of yours, or hardly any other post of yours. Its 100% ad hominem.
Toxic stuff.
If the truth is toxic, then maybe you should change your ways? And I have said much on the topic, but the three amigo's would rather spread propaganda. This was pretty much ignored, but I will repeat it anyways:
Studies have established a clear link between a family’s rejection or acceptance of an LGBT young adult and that person’s long-term mental and physical health. LGBT youth as a whole are significantly more likely than their non-LGBT counterparts to experience depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse. Bullying and harassment is one of several factors that put immense strain on LGBT mental health. In addition to the fear of rejection from family members, anti-LGBT messages heard in places of worship and in the media; and the chronic stress associated with having a stigmatized (a black mark that permeates all aspects of their lives) and often hidden identity serve to exacerbate the mental health problems affecting LGBT youth (i.e., young adults) in America. Perhaps, you would like to educate yourself further before making prejudice or biased assumptions based on Christianism and what you profess to believe.
Why don't you go back and answer some of the questions asked of you, afraid you will be exposed?
...i drop in to this thread every so often to see if there's any new ideas put out...i see the expired horse is still being mercilessly flogged....carry on...
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