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What father would send his children to a (fictitious) place called HELL? Or, cause his children to fear him?
A truly evil one. Mike and Jimmie serve an awful God and will be shocked when they actually meet Him. They are evidence that we have not spiritually evolved very far from our primitive and very carnal ancestors.
Why do you view God as a literal human father figure? He sends people to hell because it is right and just to do so, and it is fully deserved.
I've never figured out why they think God is any kind of father to people that hate him. Nowhere in Scripture does it suggest that all human beings are his children.
I've never figured out why they think God is any kind of father to people that hate him. Nowhere in Scripture does it suggest that all human beings are his children.
Exactly. We are born children of wrath, children of the devil.
Why do you view God as a literal human father figure? He sends people to hell because it is right and just to do so, and it is fully deserved.
It cannot be just or fully deserved! You completely misunderstand the actual significance of Jesus's words on the Cross when He said we should be forgiven because "we know not what we do." This is known in law as "Mens Rea" or "guilty mind." In our unavoidable and complete ignorance of God, we can not have a guilty mind. It is our state of mind that convicts or condemns us, NOT God.
What father would send his children to a (fictitious) place called HELL? Or, cause his children to fear him?
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
Why do you view God as a literal human father figure? He sends people to hell because it is right and just to do so, and it is fully deserved.
Are you not one who says in the name of the Father...?
If you want to believe in a fictitious hell that's up to you.
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I've never figured out why they think God is any kind of father to people that hate him. Nowhere in Scripture does it suggest that all human beings are his children.
Who said anything about hating, other than that of yourself, Baptist, when misrepresenting others?
If, he is the creator of everything that exists, then all things, inclusive of all humanity belong to him.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
Exactly. We are born children of wrath, children of the devil.
One must be adopted into God's family.
To be a child means you have a father, or at the very least a father figure.
And, no, we are not born children of wrath, nor are we, children of a devil.
(What a bunch of nonsense you have swallowed from the Worldly Church.)
Perhaps, an exorcism will help remove that devil/demon?
It cannot be just or fully deserved! You completely misunderstand the actual significance of Jesus's words on the Cross when He said we should be forgiven because "we know not what we do." This is known in law as "Mens Rea" or "guilty mind." In our unavoidable and complete ignorance of God, we can not have a guilty mind. It is our state of mind that convicts or condemns us, NOT God.
You're wrong. Plenty of us know exactly what we're doing. It's true that some of us don't. We will all be judged accordingly.
God is All in All. If we are condemned, God plays a part in that, though repentance is our responsibility.
Our ignorance of God is neither complete nor unavoidable. God is not so cruel as to leave us in hopeless ignorance.
Are you not one who says in the name of the Father...?
If you want to believe in a fictitious hell that's up to you.
Who said anything about hating, other than that of yourself, Baptist, when misrepresenting others?
If, he is the creator of everything that exists, then all things, inclusive of all humanity belong to him.
To be a child means you have a father, or at the very least a father figure.
And, no, we are not born children of wrath, nor are we, children of a devil.
(What a bunch of nonsense you have swallowed from the Worldly Church.)
Perhaps, an exorcism will help remove that devil/demon?
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
I am a child of God by virtue of my baptism, and it is right and appropriate for me to refer to God as my Father.
Then, you don't see him as being literally, your Father, and just consider yourself as being adopted?
(Again, no father would send his children to a place called HELL or cause his children to fear him.)
I am a child of God by virtue of my baptism, and it is right and appropriate for me to refer to God as my Father.
Agreed, although as a Baptist, I would replace the word baptism with TRUST.
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