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Old 10-01-2021, 12:13 PM
 
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When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous
but terror to evildoers.

~Proverbs 21:15
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Old 10-01-2021, 04:44 PM
 
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Can anyone clarify something for me please?-

When the resurrected dead arrive at the gates of heaven and Peter asks "Are you Christians?" will he let any in who say "No"?
According to Jesus, heaven is an exclusive 'Christians only' gated community, so wouldn't letting non-christians in be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood"?
Your understanding of things is very poor. Resurrection is as N. T. Wright puts it, ''Life after life after death.' Resurrection is not dying and going to heaven. Resurrection, which is bodily, comes after that intermediate state in heaven. A person dies and goes to heaven, then at some point in the future will be bodily resurrected and live on the earth.

Biblically speaking, a person has to place his faith in Christ in order to have eternal life and 'go to heaven.'

Dying and going to heaven and being bodily resurrected are two different things.
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Old 10-01-2021, 04:59 PM
 
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The purpose of this sliver of physical life at the beginning of our eternal existence is to freely choose who and where we want to be for eternity. If your child chooses to reject good and embrace evil they condemn themselves. And after all, they're God's children too.
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Old 10-01-2021, 05:13 PM
 
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Won't it be jolly to be singing with the angels in heaven, knowing that your child is meanwhile screaming in the eternal torments of hell?


Who can honestly say they'd be fine with it?



I am not asking for scriptural references alone, but for the human, emotional and psychological aspects of the situation.

Symbolism was taught in the NT about an eternal suffering.
The true living God = a God of justice, love, mercy. His justice scales are in perfect balance.
So for 70-90 years say. God could not condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment. Only a sadist God could do such a thing.
The true living God set before all-(Deuteronomy 30:19--Life or death ), both will be eternal.

The symbolism = As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those who missed out miss each day( to expierience Gods love as well), it never ends.
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Old 10-01-2021, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Symbolism was taught in the NT about an eternal suffering.
The true living God = a God of justice, love, mercy. His justice scales are in perfect balance.
So for 70-90 years say. God could not condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment. Only a sadist God could do such a thing.
The true living God set before all-(Deuteronomy 30:19--Life or death ), both will be eternal.

The symbolism = As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those who missed out miss each day( to experience Gods love as well), it never ends.
When you take your last breath, it may be that your existence ends?

But one thing is for sure, whatever happens to one, happens to all men.
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Old 10-01-2021, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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The purpose of this sliver of physical life at the beginning of our eternal existence is to freely choose who and where we want to be for eternity. If your child chooses to reject good and embrace evil they condemn themselves. And after all, they're God's children too.
Doesnt add up, something that is eternal doesnt have a beginning nor an end.

Why would you think that your existance began with you being born on this Earth?

We fell here, that's my good opinion.
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Old 10-02-2021, 12:53 AM
 
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When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous
but terror to evildoers.

~Proverbs 21:15
As it is written (Romans 3:10), there is none righteous, no, not one. So, who is celebrating 'justice'?
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Old 10-02-2021, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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When you take your last breath, it may be that your existence ends?

But one thing is for sure, whatever happens to one, happens to all men.
I dont think I could agree, sin is neither here nor there to me, it's not about sinning, it's about building a house.
Some men do, and some dont.

Salvation is broad, but there's a big difference between salvation, and salvation with reward.

If I give up my stuff, and I sacrifice all my life, I am building so.something another man cannot obtain no matter how unfair he thinks it is, I go to work every day, and I work, and I dont build for another man to claim if he didnt build.


God is a merciful God, and he is a fair God.
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Old 10-02-2021, 05:35 AM
 
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I dont think I could agree, sin is neither here nor there to me, it's not about sinning, it's about building a house.
Some men do, and some dont.

Salvation is broad, but there's a big difference between salvation, and salvation with reward.

If I give up my stuff, and I sacrifice all my life, I am building so.something another man cannot obtain no matter how unfair he thinks it is, I go to work every day, and I work, and I dont build for another man to claim if he didnt build.


God is a merciful God, and he is a fair God.
Don't forget about the lesson of the parable of the workers. The owner of the field went about gathering men to work for him all day. Some he got in the morning. Some he got a little later, at mid-morning. Some at noon. Some after. At the end of the day, the owner paid the men he had hired last first. He paid them the same as he had promised those he had hired in the morning because that is what he had promised them to get them to work in the first place. Well, those he hired in the morning thought that meant he should pay them more. They were pretty shocked, even angry, when he paid them what he had promised them as well.


I think the difficult issue has to do with how we want to perceive of great concepts like equality. We can understand them, but we tend to always want a clause that make us, somehow, first among equals.

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Old 10-02-2021, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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As it is written (Romans 3:10), there is none righteous, no, not one. So, who is celebrating 'justice'?
That is a good perspective to have, but that Psalm that Paul is quoting is obvious hyperbole because Scripture describes multiple individuals as "righteous" including Noah and Joseph.
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