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With Adam's last breath his existence ended.
No post-mortem penalty, No double jeopardy for Adam just going back to where he started: Dust - Gen. 3:19
So, yes, what happens to one ( aka Adam ) happens to all men.
ALL fall asleep in death - John 11:11-14; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
The difference is that since we are innocent of what Adam did is why God allows for us to have a wake-up resurrection.
As Acts 24:15 says ' there is going to be ' (future) a resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous. Only the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7; 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
Are you suggesting that Adam was destroyed forever for a single act of disobedience?
I swear, I would just like to find one Christian in my life that would admit his own truth.
You generalize everything when the scriptures say opposite, the prophets and the NT keep showing you the difference between people and there are huge differences in the least.of the kingdom and.the greatest in the kingdom.
There is a HUGE difference between you standing in the outer court of Gentiles and a Jew standing in the holy 9f holies, and.it certainly isnt by my design, Paul teaches the difference in Hebrews 8.
Paul tells us plain out that the tabernacle design in 3 sections are there to teach us what the 3 kingdoms of heaven are and who goes where.
Jesus.shows us a difference IN MANY PLACES.
In Jesus's opinion, you ARE the least in the kingdom, YOU DO get tossed into that outer court of darkness by your own free will and your disrespect for everything called of God or worshipped of God...
Every year the 3 books come out to testify who stands where, thrones are set in place, the 3 books are.opened to show who stands in what sections.
We are shown the differences EVERYWHERE, THAT NOT EVERYONE WILL BE THE SAME, AND NOT EVERYONE IS THE SAME.
HOW you gonna be standing outside the religion of Messiah to then falsley claim that you will be counted the same way as the disciples who were killed for their loyalty to Christ and his sacrifices?
Instead of staying loyal to Jesus and his religion, you have become the enemy of Jerusalem, a pagan, and certainly an enemy to the only people in the new covenant(Ephraim and Judah), an enemy of everything called of God or worshipped of God as told in Thess about the lawless apostasy when the whole of the church would become lawless, guess what?
That is.your.truth, it.is where you are now, it was your choice to choose outer darkness.
You choose separation, YOU DO.
Dang HF. You need electroshock treatment, I swear to God. I choose to follow Jesus. He is the Way , the truth and the life and yes a Jew as well. So keep putting your goat to bed before the Sabbath and that will get you into the inner court. Last question, the likes of us, in the outer court, are we having a good time or is it bad? You'll weasel out and probably say both or what we create. I say the least citizen is greater than the greatest person on Earth. We will be wrapped in love and do things beyond wonder but you have said weeping and gnashing of teeth?
Won't it be jolly to be singing with the angels in heaven, knowing that your child is meanwhile screaming in the eternal torments of hell?
Who can honestly say they'd be fine with it?
I am not asking for scriptural references alone, but for the human, emotional and psychological aspects of the situation.
"Age of accountability" no one will be sentenced to hell before they are able to discern good from evil, usually thought to be around 13-15 years old. This varies per individual. No young children will be in hell.
"Age of accountability" no one will be sentenced to hell before they are able to discern good from evil, usually thought to be around 13-15 years old. This varies per individual. No young children will be in hell.
Do they cease to be your children and in your love when they get older than 15???
Are you suggesting that Adam was destroyed forever for a single act of disobedience?
I find according to 1st Timothy 2:14 Adam was Not deceived.....
Not deceived would mean: with full knowledge.
So, with full knowledge thus Adam wilfully-and-deliberately chose to break God's Law, on purpose to disobey God.
Then, as a criminal, Adam tried to hide, and when exposed deliberate-sinner Adam instead of showing remorse or sorrow Adam did Not ask for forgiveness, rather Adam tried or attempted to justify and excuse his wrongdoing and even blame God for giving him Eve.
- Genesis 3:7-12
As Genesis informs us Adam ' returned ' to where he started the dust of the ground - Gen 3:19
There was No resurrection hope for Adam because as a perfect human Adam could only deliberately choose to do wrong.
Only because we are innocent of what father Adam did is why God provided a 'ransom' to be paid for us, but Not for Adam.
Please notice Matthew 23:35 because Jesus connects the foundation, the founding of the world starting with: Abel.
Not Adam's blood but Abel's.
So, it was more than just a single act of disobedience because Adam enlarged upon his disobedience.
Once a perfect person deliberately chooses wrongdoing they never repent nor show remorse but continue to do wrong.
However, with us, starting with Abel, we can choose to repent so as Not to perish (be destroyed) see 2nd Peter 3:9
I find according to 1st Timothy 2:14 Adam was Not deceived.....
Not deceived would mean: with full knowledge.
So, with full knowledge thus Adam wilfully-and-deliberately chose to break God's Law, on purpose to disobey God.
Then, as a criminal, Adam tried to hide, and when exposed deliberate-sinner Adam instead of showing remorse or sorrow Adam did Not ask for forgiveness, rather Adam tried or attempted to justify and excuse his wrongdoing and even blame God for giving him Eve.
- Genesis 3:7-12
As Genesis informs us Adam ' returned ' to where he started the dust of the ground - Gen 3:19
There was No resurrection hope for Adam because as a perfect human Adam could only deliberately choose to do wrong.
Only because we are innocent of what father Adam did is why God provided a 'ransom' to be paid for us, but Not for Adam.
Please notice Matthew 23:35 because Jesus connects the foundation, the founding of the world starting with: Abel.
Not Adam's blood but Abel's.
So, it was more than just a single act of disobedience because Adam enlarged upon his disobedience.
Once a perfect person deliberately chooses wrongdoing they never repent nor show remorse but continue to do wrong.
However, with us, starting with Abel, we can choose to repent so as Not to perish (be destroyed) see 2nd Peter 3:9
You JW's have some screwed up beliefs that have no resemblance to the God Jesus Christ revealed and demonstrated to us! Very sad.
"Age of accountability" no one will be sentenced to hell before they are able to discern good from evil, usually thought to be around 13-15 years old. This varies per individual. No young children will be in hell.
Good point ^ above ^ because minor children can be protected by the parent see 1st Corinthians 7:14.
As far as ' sentenced to hell ' I find biblical hell is just the temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead of all ages.
Biblical hell comes to final end according to Revelation 20:13-14.
After everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' ( meaning resurrected ) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic 'second death ' for vacated biblical hell.
False clergy teach fire in hell instead of sleep. ( John 11:11-14; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5 )
When KJV translated the word Gehenna into English as hell fire that put flames in the grave.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were: destroyed.
So, it is No wonder that Scripture teaches the wicked will be ' destroyed forever' and Not roasted forever.
- see Psalm 92:7; Psalm 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22; 2nd Peter 3:9
When you take your last breath, it may be that your existence ends?
But one thing is for sure, whatever happens to one, happens to all men.
Yes-- ashes to ashes and dust to dust. All thought stops on the day of ones death. One awaits the resurrection. Which occurs after Har-mageddon for most.
"Age of accountability" no one will be sentenced to hell before they are able to discern good from evil, usually thought to be around 13-15 years old. This varies per individual. No young children will be in hell.
Do you have any verses you can cite that support the "age of accountability" doctrine?
And it would seem that "varying between individuals" would make God a "respecter of persons". No?
Why is little Eddie accountable when he is 12 and little Johnny isn't accountable until he is 13? Or maybe it varies because it is like when you hit puberty or something?
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Last question, the likes of us, in the outer court, are we having a good time or is it bad? You'll weasel out and probably say both or what we create. I say the least citizen is greater than the greatest person on Earth. We will be wrapped in love and do things beyond wonder but you have said weeping and gnashing of teeth?
