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The pope is a bishop. Bishops are indeed mentioned.
Please explain. If not Christ Himself, then who founded the Catholic Church and when?
Some dude?
A bigger question is, if there was false teaching entering the church already in the 1st Century, why do you believe that YOUR church couldn't have strayed? Especially in light of many apparent contradictions to what the apostles taught.
A bigger question is, if there was false teaching entering the church already in the 1st Century, why do you believe that YOUR church couldn't have strayed? Especially in light of many apparent contradictions to what the apostles taught.
What? No I'm not. No mortal has any power over my soul.
That only applies to a married person. Obviously an unmarried person cannot be a husband (and hopefully isn't a father). There is no Biblical requirement for a bishop to be married. An unmarried person is a better candidate in fact, since Paul said himself that celibacy is a higher good than marriage and he wishes that all would remain as he is (i.e. single and celibate).
I suggest you're seeing what you want to see. We all have filters that can be very tough to see past.
It does not only apply to a married person. If marital status was not essential, it would not have been listed. The qualifications are clear and a must. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, skillful in teaching,
We can't choose to ignore a single one on the list.
Then Paul stresses why an overseer must be a husband/father. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?)
As far as it's better to be celibate 1) it goes against the scriptural qualifications for a bishop 2) Paul was not talking about a leader of the church. His remaining single was his opinion not a command from Christ. Paul was talking about burning with passion. It's better to marry than burn with passion.
He says. 17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this way let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches.
The RCC does not follow what Paul teaches. Going against this passage they bind celibacy on it's clergy and it has created unthinkable atrocities. The number of sexually active priest and popes is astounding.
A bigger question is, if there was false teaching entering the church already in the 1st Century, why do you believe that YOUR church couldn't have strayed?
Christ promised that His Church would endure to the end. That's what he meant when He said "the gates of hell will not prevail against it".
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Especially in light of many apparent contradictions to what the apostles taught.
The Catholic church teaches that grace is "infused". Sort of like getting a blood transfusion. When we get "infused" with grace, we can then do things that glorify God, and that the results of it are meritorious for our salvation. Meaning they contribute to it. And, just like someone that might have a wound, or internal bleeding, or whatever...they have to keep getting more blood transfusions.....in the same way, we have to keep getting more "infusions", in their view.
The Bible tells us that grace is imputed to us. That means that it's assigned to us, credited to us. Abraham was said to believe God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. In the same way, righteousness is imputed to us by faith. It doesn't "leak" out. Hebrews 7 says that Jesus made one sacrifice for all time. Later on in Hebrews 10, the writer says that Jesus sat down after accomplishing salvation. A priest in the OT never sat down in the temple. His work was never done. A RCC priest never "sits down" for the same reason. He has to keep presenting Jesus each week at the Mass.
So in the RCC "infused righteousness" idea, Jesus never completed our redemption. But the Bible says he did.
I suggest you're seeing what you want to see. We all have filters that can be very tough to see past.
It does not only apply to a married person. If marital status was not essential, it would not have been listed.
Not true.
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The qualifications are clear and a must. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, skillful in teaching,
We can't choose to ignore a single one on the list.
It's not being ignored. It's being seen as an option; not something 'essential'.
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Then Paul stresses why an overseer must be a husband/father. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?)
This is all fine and dandy...IF he's married.
As I asked in my previous post, what evidence do we have that ALL of the Apostles were married with families?
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As far as it's better to be celibate 1) it goes against the scriptural qualifications for a bishop 2) Paul was not talking about a leader of the church. His remaining single was his opinion not a command from Christ. Paul was talking about burning with passion. It's better to marry than burn with passion.
And you know this...how?
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He says. 17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this way let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches.
The RCC does not follow what Paul teaches. Going against this passage they bind celibacy on it's clergy and it has created unthinkable atrocities. The number of sexually active priest and popes is astounding.
They're not going against any passage, nor are they 'binding' celibacy on the clergy. Men who enter the clergy are FULLY AWARE of what would be expected of them BEFORE they become ordained.
By the way...there have been and currently are some Catholic priests who are married...with families.
The Catholic church teaches that grace is "infused". Sort of like getting a blood transfusion. When we get "infused" with grace, we can then do things that glorify God, and that the results of it are meritorious for our salvation. Meaning they contribute to it. And, just like someone that might have a wound, or internal bleeding, or whatever...they have to keep getting more blood transfusions.....in the same way, we have to keep getting more "infusions", in their view.
The Bible tells us that grace is imputed to us. That means that it's assigned to us, credited to us. Abraham was said to believe God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. In the same way, righteousness is imputed to us by faith. It doesn't "leak" out. Hebrews 7 says that Jesus made one sacrifice for all time. Later on in Hebrews 10, the writer says that Jesus sat down after accomplishing salvation. A priest in the OT never sat down in the temple. His work was never done. A RCC priest never "sits down" for the same reason. He has to keep presenting Jesus each week at the Mass.
So in the RCC "infused righteousness" idea, Jesus never completed our redemption. But the Bible says he did.
Hmmm.... This kind of sounds similar to "Once Saved Always Saved" thinking.
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This kind of sounds similar to "Once Saved Always Saved" thinking.
