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Giving a sexual deviant a wife does not cure his sexual deviance. If a priest is willing to have sex outside marriage, then what good is giving him a wife? He has already had sex outside marriage, and he'll do it again if he is unrepentant.
Maybe I worded it badly. Many of the priest sex stories that have come out are of them forcing themselves on someone. I call that sexual abuse. Forcing priest into a life of celibacy while they still have sexual urges forces them to attack the vulnerable. It's sad to me because they don't have to be forced into celibacy and as I have presented. They should be married.
As I said, my wife was Catholic. My mother-in-law finally left the "church" because she didn't agree, and rightly so, with the way the RCC handles priest that are sexual predators. They just move them. I'm sure this has been going on for centuries.
Do you view this as a requirement or is optional as well? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Amazing how this description reminds me of someone who converted to Catholicism.
None of these things are "optional". You have totally missed the point. It is a requirement that an overseer must be the husband of one wife. That means that if he is married and his wife dies, he may not remarry. It does not mean that he must be married. Which brings up another problem with your view. If a clergyman's wife dies, is he required to re-marry if he wants to continue in the ministry?
May I suggest you have missed the point and your RCC filter is what makes my view seem novel. Imagine taking communion and it not being unleavened bread and fruit of the vine. Why is it those things, because that is what we are told to use, everything else is excluded. Husband of one wife disqualifies the unmarried. Why because for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?
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You're reading the passage in such a strange, novel way. Who else reads it with your interpretation? Which teachers or theologians do you appeal to?
I read the bible mostly. It's not that hard to understand.
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Oh really? Where was the Church hiding then?
Hiding from the RCC or they would have been killed. The RCC has killed many who have opposed them for many years. Thankfully not anymore.
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Maybe I worded it badly. Many of the priest sex stories that have come out are of them forcing themselves on someone. I call that sexual abuse. Forcing priest into a life of celibacy while they still have sexual urges forces them to attack the vulnerable. It's sad to me because they don't have to be forced into celibacy and as I have presented. They should be married.
As I said, my wife was Catholic. My mother-in-law finally left the "church" because she didn't agree, and rightly so, with the way the RCC handles priest that are sexual predators. They just move them. I'm sure this has been going on for centuries.
Is that really how Christ's church would operate?
Again, not true. Those who become priests know ahead of time that celibacy is part of the 'deal' (in MOST cases).
It's like, volunteering for the military. If you volunteer for certain military specializations, you'll be expected to pick up a gun. You know this ahead of time. It's actually like that for just about any organization. If I go to work for McDonald's, I'd be expected to show up to work on time. I'm not being "forced" to show up on time.
Part of being a Christian is obedience. Jesus stresses this quite often.
May I suggest you have missed the point and your RCC filter is what makes my view seem novel. Imagine taking communion and it not being unleavened bread and fruit of the vine. Why is it those things, because that is what we are told to use, everything else is excluded. Husband of one wife disqualifies the unmarried. Why because for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?
*I* am a household of ONE. I'm single. Live alone. And yet, I can render my house unmanageable if I don't do what needs be done. I still have to 'manage' my own house by vacuuming, dusting, doing the dishes, wiping off countertops, paying bills on time, etc.
I can also go a step farther, and wax a bit philosophical by saying that my 'household' is living in my own skin. I 'manage' it by eating properly, not overindulging, exercising, wearing modest clothing, etc.
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I read the bible mostly. It's not that hard to understand.
Not that easy, either.
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Hiding from the RCC or the would have been killed. The RCC has killed many who have opposed them for many years. Thankfully not anymore.
How would you go about identifying Christ's church?
Are we to judge an organization based on the worst behavior of its worst members?
Or would it make more sense to judge an organization based on the behavior of its best members?
Christ's church aligns with scripture. That's how I know.
The problem with the RCC, it's worst behavior is with it's leaders. They can't kill people like they used to but they continue to go against scripture.
Please do not be offended by what I say. I'm not being hateful just trying to challenge your thinking. I do appreciate you teaching me about the RCC.
Again, not true. Those who become priests know ahead of time that celibacy is part of the 'deal' (in MOST cases).
It's like, volunteering for the military. If you volunteer for certain military specializations, you'll be expected to pick up a gun. You know this ahead of time. It's actually like that for just about any organization. If I go to work for McDonald's, I'd be expected to show up to work on time. I'm not being "forced" to show up on time.
Part of being a Christian is obedience. Jesus stresses this quite often.
Yet they are not obedient and have sex with the vulnerable. Instead of punishing them the RCC just moves them to somewhere else so they can start molesting anew.
*I* am a household of ONE. I'm single. Live alone. And yet, I can render my house unmanageable if I don't do what needs be done. I still have to 'manage' my own house by vacuuming, dusting, doing the dishes, wiping off countertops, paying bills on time, etc.
I can also go a step farther, and wax a bit philosophical by saying that my 'household' is living in my own skin. I 'manage' it by eating properly, not overindulging, exercising, wearing modest clothing, etc.
Not that easy, either.
Can't single out the RCC.
May I suggest you're not getting the point Paul is making. He's not talking about chores but managing people and guiding souls.
if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.
I'm not aware of other "churches" killing "heretics". Not saying there isn't but the RCC is the winner in that category.
There are things the RCC holds to that I agree with. Sola scripture. One true church. One must be baptized to be saved. I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of now.
Enjoyed the discussion. Gotta go for now, be back tomorrow.
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