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Why go to a doctor when you're sick? Why hire a plumber to fix your pipes? What kind of question is this? When we want a solution, we go to the experts.
Just because you do that, it doesn't mean that everyone does.
Which experts do you go to. There are all kinds of flavors. Do you go to protestant experts? I assume you have at least read what they say and I’m sure you reject it, but why.
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Nobody is "denying what is written". We're all using the same text. The fact is that the text does not mean what you think it means. You are not more enlightened than 1500+ years of Christian understanding. The Faith is much bigger than you and your understanding.
My argument is that what is written is truth and what is not written is not truth.
We know with 100% certainty that the husband of 1 wife with believing children is qualified to be an elder and it’s absolute truth because that is Paul’s instructions. Paul does not give instructions about the "what if" single person. When we get off into the realm of what if, how do you determine what is truth and what is perversion?
"What if" a righteous women wants to become an elder?
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It's not irrelevant at all. He must be *the husband of one wife*. That means if his wife dies, he may not remarry.
Could it possibly mean he can't have 2 wives at the same time? That is what I personally believe he is talking about.
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Would you then say that a married man who has no children is disqualified from the ministry?
Which experts do you go to. There are all kinds of flavors. Do you go to protestant experts? I assume you have at least read what they say and I’m sure you reject it, but why.
The Church Fathers and the Saints are reliable sources.
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Could it possibly mean he can't have 2 wives at the same time? That is what I personally believe he is talking about.
But this would not need to be said as it is obvious. There is no allowance for polygamy in the Christian conception of marriage.
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What are the qualifications for a minister?
I meant the ministry in question - that of "overseer" as described in 1 Timothy 3. Would you permit a married but childless man to pursue the office?
The Church Fathers and the Saints are reliable sources.
Why go to humans when you have access to God himself through his son, Jesus Christ, the livng word.
The Catholic Church makes all sorts of folks Saints. How many of the Popes themselves were beautified and made Saints?
In Catholic Seminaries they study more Greek philosophy than they do scriptures.
I was raised Catholic, been to many man made religious Institutions and various churches. The Catholic Church like many others profess to be the One true Church. It seems like you are trying to defend this. The one true Church of Christ does not need to be defended. It speaks for itself.
The entire purpose of all biblical doctrines is to manifest Righteous, Holy and Loving Characteristics in the persons lifestyle. This needs no defense from anyone. After all the quality of the Church is what type of folks does it produce?
Are they Loving, righteous and Holy? If so then it is a success. The problem I see is that only a very small few have any of these characteristics. I mean very few.
One of the main reasons I read my bible through many times, was because I became very tired of Pastors and Priests making things up and lieing to me.
Now I go right to God with my problems not to a priest or Pastor. They are not really experts as you think they are. Some do not even really care at all or believe.
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Why go to humans when you have access to God himself through his son, Jesus Christ, the livng word.
The Catholic Church makes all sorts of folks Saints. How many of the Popes themselves were beautified and made Saints?
In Catholic Seminaries they study more Greek philosophy than they do scriptures.
I was raised Catholic, been to many man made religious Institutions and various churches. The Catholic Church like many others profess to be the One true Church. It seems like you are trying to defend this. The one true Church of Christ does not need to be defended. It speaks for itself.
The entire purpose of all biblical doctrines is to manifest Righteous, Holy and Loving Characteristics in the persons lifestyle. This needs no defense from anyone. After all the quality of the Church is what type of folks does it produce?
Are they Loving, righteous and Holy? If so then it is a success. The problem I see is that only a very small few have any of these characteristics. I mean very few.
One of the main reasons I read my bible through many times, was because I became very tired of Pastors and Priests making things up and lieing to me.
Now I go right to God with my problems not to a priest or Pastor. They are not really experts as you think they are. Some do not even really care at all or believe.
The number of Catholic Saints speaks for itself. Study their lives. They are examples of holiness for us. Of course there are also bad Catholics.
I don't see a need to defend the "expertise" of every individual priest or teacher. Of course there are false shepherds, wolves in sheep's clothing. There are also Priests and teachers who mean well but are ignorant about many things.
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