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What does "truly present" mean? Catholics believe that you must agree to THEIR beliefs in order to receive the body of Christ in THEIR church. According to them, the wafer turns into the actual Body of Christ with only the substance of the wafer remaining. My personal belief: when I am consuming the wafer/bread, I am making a connection with Jesus spiritually and am remembering the sacrifice He made for me. I am becoming "one with Him" as the statement goes. It's a very simple belief. No need to complicate it. Jesus told his disciplines to eat the bread in remembrance of him. I do just that. In regard to the Catholic belief, I agree to the belief that Jesus is my savior which is a Christian belief. That is all Jesus asks. The church is not the Catholic church. It is Jesus's church. Its is the church for His followers.
So when the priest lifts the Eucharist immediately before you and says "The Body of Christ" you take it anyway believing that it is not the Body of Christ?
What does "truly present" mean? Catholics believe that you must agree to THEIR beliefs in order to receive the body of Christ in THEIR church. According to them, the wafer turns into the actual Body of Christ with only the substance of the wafer remaining. My personal belief: when I am consuming the wafer/bread, I am making a connection with Jesus spiritually and am remembering the sacrifice He made for me. I am becoming "one with Him" as the statement goes. It's a very simple belief. No need to complicate it. Jesus told his disciplines to eat the bread in remembrance of him. I do just that. In regard to the Catholic belief, I agree to the belief that Jesus is my savior which is a Christian belief. That is all Jesus asks. The church is not the Catholic church. It is Jesus's church. Its is the church for His followers.
So when the priest lifts the Eucharist immediately before you and says "The Body of Christ" you take it anyway believing that it is not the Body of Christ?
I look at the priest and say "Amen", take the wafer out of my hand and place it in my mouth, then I look directly at the crucifixion hanging behind the alter and do the sign of the cross, and walk back to where I was sitting. The entire time, my focus is on remembering that Christ died for me.
I look at the priest and say "Amen", take the wafer out of my hand and place it in my mouth, then I look directly at the crucifixion hanging behind the alter and do the sign of the cross, and walk back to where I was sitting. The entire time, my focus is on remembering that Christ died for me.
"Amen" means you're agreeing to the priests exclamation "The Body of Christ";
but you Don't believe it is The Body of Christ.
Do you not realize you're agreeing to something verbally that you don't believe?
"Amen" means you're agreeing to the priests exclamation "The Body of Christ";
but you Don't believe it is The Body of Christ.
Do you not realize you're agreeing to something verbally that you don't believe?
Did I say I did not believe it is the body of Christ? When did I say that?
I do not like to overcomplicate and overanalyze communion. Do you think Jesus wanted us to overanalyze it? He simply wanted us to believe in Him, have faith in Him, and remember him. To me "Amen" means "I accept the body of Christ and I accept that Jesus died for my sins and I remember him".
Did I say I did not believe it is the body of Christ? When did I say that?
I do not like to overcomplicate and overanalyze communion. Do you think Jesus wanted us to overanalyze it? He simply wanted us to believe in Him, have faith in Him, and remember him. To me "Amen" means "I accept the body of Christ and I accept that Jesus died for my sins and I remember him".
As far as the Church of England, yes, it broke from the Catholic Church and became protestant. The Catholic Church is a "branch" of the Christian faith. Christianity is a religion. Anything underneath it is a branch or denomination.
But Jesus didn't found an ethereal "Christian faith" or a "denomination". He founded a church. Not many churches, but One Church.
Any denomination must have come from somewhere.
The Methodist church broke off from the Episcopal Church.
The Episcopal Church broke off from the Catholic Church.
From which ecclesiastical body did the Catholic Church break away?
Actually, He told Peter that He was going to "build my church," which implies that it would be the Church of Jesus Christ.
Yes, in other words. It is Jesus's church. It does not belong to any denomination or religion. The rules of His church are His rules, not the rules of any denomination or religion.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
But Jesus didn't found an ethereal "Christian faith" or a "denomination". He founded a church. Not many churches, but One Church.
Any denomination must have come from somewhere.
The Methodist church broke off from the Episcopal Church.
The Episcopal Church broke off from the Catholic Church.
From which ecclesiastical body did the Catholic Church break away?
He founded the church. Why make something so complicated? If we were to call it anything, it should be "Church of Jesus" or "God's church" where the rules come straight from the bible. I know you're going to say "but the rules of the Catholic church DO come straight from the bible"....
He founded the church. Why make something so complicated? If we were to call it anything, it should be "Church of Jesus" or "God's church" where the rules come straight from the bible. I know you're going to say "but the rules of the Catholic church DO come straight from the bible"....
I'm not making it complicated at all. It's very simple. We call the Church "Catholic" because the word "catholic" means "universal". The Catholic Church is the Church of Jesus and God's Church.
I'm sorry you don't like the name "Catholic". You can blame the early Greek-speaking Christians for that.
So if the Catholic Church is not the same church founded by Christ, which ecclesiastical body did the Catholic Church break away from?
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