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I'll reiterate my opinion again and lets agree to disagree for the time being. You believe, without question, that the Catholic Church (with a capital C) IS "The True Church". I disagree with this. I do not believe there is such a a thing as "the true church" nor do I believe that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. I believe he founded a church with no denominations or religions attached.
I believe Jesus created Christianity and it was men who created the different denominations.
God can do whatever He wants. We, however, cannot. We're talking about ordination, which has objective criteria.
Ordination of the man made Religion of Catholicism. Why does Catholic doctrine not allow priests to marry? The Apostle Peter was married, your so called first Pope. Even though Paul was the first Apostle in Rome and wrote the epistle to the Romans. Peter showed up in Rome after Paul.
So you say God can do what ever he wants but we can not. Why then does the Catholic church worship and pray to Mary? God says not to pray to anyone but him. Catholics also pray to Saints. Catholicism has all sorts of Man made doctrines that are contrived by man and not of God.
Your statement seems to be not true. Catholics pick and choose what they want from scripture and then dismiss other issues were are clearly man made.
So Catholics will follow certain biblical rules which they choose in regards to ordination and dismiss others which fails to suit them.
Like calling Priests Father. God says not to do this.
Mat 23:9* And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.*
The Catholic church is just one of many that has intertwined man made traditions with Biblical doctrine.
You can not deny this.
Regardless of the Church and its clearly man made doctrines, some Catholics live Righteous,Holy and Loving lives. However it is not the one True Church as it claims.
Ordination of the man made Religion of Catholicism. Why does Catholic doctrine not allow priests to marry? The Apostle Peter was married, your so called first Pope. Even though Paul was the first Apostle in Rome and wrote the epistle to the Romans. Peter showed up in Rome after Paul.
So you say God can do what ever he wants but we can not. Why then does the Catholic church worship and pray to Mary? God says not to pray to anyone but him. Catholics also pray to Saints. Catholicism has all sorts of Man made doctrines that are contrived by man and not of God.
Your statement seems to be not true. Catholics pick and choose what they want from scripture and then dismiss other issues were are clearly man made.
So Catholics will follow certain biblical rules which they choose in regards to ordination and dismiss others which fails to suit them.
Like calling Priests Father. God says not to do this.
Mat 23:9* And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.*
The Catholic church is just one of many that has intertwined man made traditions with Biblical doctrine.
You can not deny this.
Regardless of the Church and its clearly man made doctrines, some Catholics live Righteous,Holy and Loving lives. However it is not the one True Church as it claims.
The one True Church are the gathered believers in Jesus. They are not bound by man made doctrines, traditions or institutional walls.
It has nothing to do with Roman influence, but about communion.
There is One Church, One Communion of believers.
When did the Catholic Church break off or distinguish itself from this One Communion?
Cute, nice try, but no. The Catholic Church believes that IT is the "One Church, One Communion of believers", but it does not accept that others believe the same thing but don't adhere to the particular rules and perspectives of the Roman Church.
It broke itself off when it got into bed with secular power structures and took on the practices of those power structures. It did make an effort to right itself after the Reformation, but it was too little too late.
I believe Jesus created Christianity and it was men who created the different denominations.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
The first churches were communes of people who worked and shared what they had as they supposedly lived what Jesus taught and spread their beliefs to others. No one was wearing a big silly hat and sitting on a gaudy chair lording over others. "Communion" was the shared meal, not a cracker and a sip of wine that could only be eaten by those deemed acceptable to receive it after a designated party said some words over it. Nobody had a compilation of 66 books divvied up into chapters and verses that they ruminated over.
Cute, nice try, but no. The Catholic Church believes that IT is the "One Church, One Communion of believers", but it does not accept that others believe the same thing but don't adhere to the particular rules and perspectives of the Roman Church.
It broke itself off when it got into bed with secular power structures and took on the practices of those power structures. It did make an effort to right itself after the Reformation, but it was too little too late.
Yep
And another part of the problem is those coming after that attempt at reformation have perpetuated/imitated the same systemic and organisational errors/transgressions/mistakes
The first churches were communes of people who worked and shared what they had as they supposedly lived what Jesus taught and spread their beliefs to others. No one was wearing a big silly hat and sitting on a gaudy chair lording over others. "Communion" was the shared meal, not a cracker and a sip of wine that could only be eaten by those deemed acceptable to receive it after a designated party said some words over it. Nobody had a compilation of 66 books divvied up into chapters and verses that they ruminated over.
Cute, nice try, but no. The Catholic Church believes that IT is the "One Church, One Communion of believers", but it does not accept that others believe the same thing but don't adhere to the particular rules and perspectives of the Roman Church.
It broke itself off when it got into bed with secular power structures and took on the practices of those power structures. It did make an effort to right itself after the Reformation, but it was too little too late.
When you say "one True Church", are you referring to the Catholic church or the church that Jesus founded with Peter?
Jesus started the Church independent of Peter. It wasn’t the Jesus and Peter church.
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