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Your understanding/interpretation of this passage is novel and strange and is not how the Church has always understood it.
Catholic priests in the Latin/Roman rite do normally take vows of celibacy. However, exceptions are sometimes made for a man who is already married who wants to enter the priesthood.
In other rites of the Catholic Church, priestly celibacy is not the norm and most of their priests are married.
If a Catholic priest is married and his wife dies, he is not permitted to re-marry due to the requirement to be the husband of one wife.
Interesting. So there are exceptions to the vow IF one is married. If one is not married, is the vow a requirement?
It sounds as if the CC is divided (rites). Is that correct? I know it fractured in the past but they became a different group. I assume not still associated with the RCC.
Your understanding/interpretation of this passage is novel and strange and is not how the Church has always understood it.
This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
Interesting. So there are exceptions to the vow IF one is married. If one is not married, is the vow a requirement?
If one is unmarried, he will typically be required to take a vow of celibacy upon entering the priesthood. But as I said, there are exceptions.
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It sounds as if the CC is divided (rites). Is that correct? I know it fractured in the past but they became a different group. I assume not still associated with the RCC.
The Church is not divided. All of the self-governing rites within the Catholic church (there are over 20) are in Communion with each other and with the pope, and ultimately subject to him.
You may be thinking of the Great Schism of the 11th century which was the split between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. Not all Eastern churches sided with the Eastern Orthodox at that time; and many of the Eastern churches that sided with the Orthodox in the 11th century have come back into Communion with Rome since then.
This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
How many of these are optional?
I'm not going to go around in circles on this. I already explained our understanding of this passage to you. We do not read in that passage a requirement to force marriage upon aspiring clergy. It is perfectly acceptable for clergy to be celibate.
I'm not going to go around in circles on this. I already explained our understanding of this passage to you. We do not read in that passage a requirement to force marriage upon aspiring clergy. It is perfectly acceptable for clergy to be celibate.
I don't want to beat a dead horse either. Shall we go to another topic? History of the RCC? Baptism?
This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
How many of these are optional?
Marriage in of itself is optional. When Jesus said, "...some renounce marriage for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven..." he wasn't limiting this to non-clergy.
It is widely accepted that Jesus himself was considered to be the "High Priest." Yet, the majority consensus is that Jesus was not married. Plus, there's no evidence that any of the Apostles were married (Yes, Peter had a mother-in-law, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Peter was married at the time of his ministry).
It's' interesting how often the Catholic Church is criticized for not allowing priests to marry (once they're ordained, that is), claiming that the Church is "forcing" priests to be celibate.
But the way you and others are reading the passages from 1 Timothy, you're saying that Christianity "forces" its clergy to marry.
Christ promised that His Church would endure to the end. That's what he meant when He said "the gates of hell will not prevail against it".
And I am in complete agreement that the gates of hell would not prevail. But you and I differ on what Jesus meant by "church".
Jesus promised in John 14 that he'd send the Spirit. He never promised he'd send a pope.
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Obviously, we don't see any contradictions.
Obviously. But you should.
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