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Old 09-18-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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We do not do works for brownie points we do them for salvation....
I've never seen a scripture that says I have to do works for salvation. Salvation is a gift of God when He calls us...that is Him giving us that gift...there is NO WORK that needs to be done for that God give that freely to whom He wills to have it.

 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:26 PM
 
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O nm lol
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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I've never seen a scripture that says I have to do works for salvation. Salvation is a gift of God when He calls us...that is Him giving us that gift...there is NO WORK that needs to be done for that God give that freely to whom He wills to have it.

Do you believe we need faith? I showed verses on this already in a previous response.
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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Do you believe we need faith? I showed verses on this already in a previous response.
Faith is a gift from God, we don't generate that on our own. Faith is used by God in us to get His best usefulness out of us for His glory.
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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Right but faith without works is dead James 2:14-26. So we must follow our faith with works or we do not have faith.
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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Do you believe we need faith? I showed verses on this already in a previous response.
Yes we do...but where did the faith come from?
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:42 PM
 
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Right but faith without works is dead James 2:14-26. So we must follow our faith with works or we do not have faith.
James was saying, that faith without the evidence of works is dead. if no works then you never had faith.
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:42 PM
 
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Easy, "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God' Rom. 10:17.
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default The rich man and lazarus & the lake of fire

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Ok maybe this will help. Luke 16:22-23 says the beggar went to Abrahams bosom and the rich man lifted up his eyes from where? Hell it says. Now in verse 26 after asking for water to cool his tongue, he learns there is a great gulf and he can not "pass to us that would come from thence". Point is, the rich man could not leave hell to go to Abraham's bosom nor vice versa.
The rich man and Lazarus IS NOT a story about the final destiny of any fallen creature.

“and without a parable spake Jesus not unto them” Matthew 13:34

http://www.hisremnant.org/eby/articles/other/abraham.html
and
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html
Scroll down and click on
THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS


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The Bible says, "it is appointed of men once to die" then what is next? "then after this, the judgement". Not after this, chastisement before judgement. What happens on judgement? Revelation 20:12-15 shows that hell is delivered up and cast where? into the lake of fire the second death.
Friends that is plain
The result of the judgment is kolasis aionion Matthew 25:46 (age-during corrective chastisement), not eternal hell.

According to the Bible everyone who enters the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.
The Lake of Fire: The Prodigal Son; God Gains Attention;The Lake Of Fire;The Second Death;Not Hurt Of The Second Death;Tormented In The Presence Of The Lamb
 
Old 09-18-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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James was saying, that faith without the evidence of works is dead.
Does it say faith without the evidence of works or faith without works? It is plain as day that faith is dead without works. I can say something all day but until I live it, it is not true. Jesus says only those that do his will go to heaven Matt 7:21.
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