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Amen, if God is an endless hell God then he can put you there if it so pleases him and you cannot trust that he won't.
Amen, let's not put God in the pretty box.
If there is a hell, and he puts me there, he won't be pleased, he loves me, but after this life, I don't believe there are any more chances, his definition of love has reciprocal meanings as well, he loved us first, and we love him, many don't.
If there is a hell, and he puts me there, he won't be pleased, he loves me, but after this life, I don't believe there are any more chances, his definition of love has reciprocal meanings as well, he loved us first, and we love him, many don't.
That's not the issue, you will love him if he puts you there "forever" right?
That's not the issue, you will love him if he puts you there "forever" right?
Yeah, right.......
Yes, I don't put conditions on my love for God. It would be myself I would be pissed off with.
By the way, I do not read the Bible at this point to include living beings being burned forever, or kept locked up forever . . . .but if I was wrong, and Hell is a literal place, I believe God is just.
I'm puzzled. There appear to be two threads on the same topic started by Eusebius and both are about 12 or so pages in length. Which is the proper thread to be responding to?
I'm puzzled. There appear to be two threads on the same topic started by Eusebius and both are about 12 or so pages in length. Which is the proper thread to be responding to?
when I see LIES such as what universalism teaches, I will stand up and speak against it whenever and there is nothing you can do about it.... And YOUR intimidation will not stop me!
I don't try to intimidate. I just let the evidence speak for itself.
For the first 500 years after Christ, universalism was the prevailing doctrine believed and taught by the Christian church.
Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years
The author, J.W. Hanson wrote “The purpose of this book is to present the evidence of the prevalence in the early centuries of the Christian church, of the doctrine of the final holiness of all mankind.
The author shows that Universal Restitution was the faith of the early Christians for at least the First Five Hundred Years of the Christian era.
He has presented irrefragable proofs that the doctrine of Universal Salvation was the prevalent sentiment of the primitive Christian church.
The salient statements and facts in all which will be found in these pages show that the most and ablest of the early fathers found the deliverance of all mankind from sin and sorrow specifically revealed in the Christian Scriptures.”
And they were reading the Bible in its original language.
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Yes, I don't put conditions on my love for God. It would be myself I would be pissed off with.
By the way, I do not read the Bible at this point to include living beings being burned forever, or kept locked up forever . . . .but if I was wrong, and Hell is a literal place, I believe God is just.
What would there to be pissed off at yourself about?
What would there to be pissed off at yourself about?
That Jesus is the the Way and the Truth and the Life . . .and I cast him aside to do My Way, My Truth . . . and I know that gate is narrow . . I've already been giving faith . . .which is a gift . . . but once we have this Faith, Jesus talked much about what we need to do with it . . . . . and I am lazy.
God asked for people to stand in the gap, he found no one, so he destroyed . . . God is Love, but forgetting churches and pastors . . . God has a plan for us . . . . I have problems with plans, planning, etc. He said that No liars, adulterers, etc. . would be with him in heaven right??
Didn't he say the wicked, those practicing witchcraft wouldn't get in . . . why DID HE TELL US WE CAN GET ETERNAL LIFE AND THAT WE ALL WOULD BECAUSE HE IS LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE told us the gate is narrow . . . He told us specifics about who is not getting in.
WHY didn't he tell us that he loves us so much . . . that we will reign with him forever . . . instead he says, Here are the patience of the saints . . those who keep his commandments, who endure.
Why didn't he tell us that he would clean us up, so we can all be in heaven . . . I struggle with my walk everyday . . . I see nothing in the scriptures that God is gonna be okay with EVERYONE and EVERYONE is granted eternal life.
I want to believe this more than you know . . .
I am studying UR . . . and WANT SO MUCH to find truth in IT . . . but it's not ringing for me . . . . I would have a lot less stress?
I eat when I'm stressed . . and just found out that stressed is dessert spelled backwards . . . . .blessings, Lifesigns64
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What would there to be pissed off at yourself about?
It would be my fault if I either, went to hell, was annihilated . . or just was dead . . . never having experienced the physical nearness of the Lord, or the peace of eternal life he promised those who had faith . . .remember he's coming back to separate the wheat and the tares . . . if I don't get in . . .it's no one's fault by mine.
I eat when I'm stressed . . and just found out that stressed is dessert spelled backwards . . . . .blessings, Lifesigns64
stressed is dessert spelled backwards - LOL that's funny lifesigns.
Don't be stressed... God tells us not to worry, and God is love, and He doesn't fail. That is our real assurance.
Peace out.
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I don't try to intimidate
