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Well at some point it can longer be denied that Oakland is actually a bit more walkable overall, than Sacramento.
Neighborhoods with a Walkscore of 80+
Oakland 41
Sacramento 2
Ijs
Oh, I'm not claiming Sac is overall more walkable than Oakland (although it's closer than you'd like to admit, especially when factoring in the flatness of Sac). I was just pointing out it's disingenuous to say Sac only has two neighborhoods above a 90 walkscore while subdividing Oakland's core into neighborhoods the size of Mosswood. Fruitvale station? what exactly is that, the four square blocks around the BART station?
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Originally Posted by sav858
Look at the neighborhood population #'s. Sacramento has about 15K in walkscore neighborhoods above 90, Oakland has 55K+.
No way, where are you getting 15K from? The Grid is like 30K population and 100K weekly workforce population off the top of my head. And 55K for Oakland? The core from downtown up to Piedmont/Temescal is maybe 30K.
Well at some point it can longer be denied that Oakland is actually a bit more walkable overall, than Sacramento.
Neighborhoods with a Walkscore of 80+
Oakland 41
Sacramento 2
Ijs
WHO THE HELL CARES! Why does walking score get brought up every. single. time. you people compare cities. San Diego is more desirable than Jersey city, walking scores aren't everything.
WHO THE HELL CARES! Why does walking score get brought up every. single. time. you people compare cities. San Diego is more desirable than Jersey city, walking scores aren't everything.
I think I prefer Jersey City tho.
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Originally Posted by TheFlats
Oh, I'm not claiming Sac is overall more walkable than Oakland (although it's closer than you'd like to admit, especially when factoring in the flatness of Sac).
Okay but I lived in Sacramento for 3 years and never felt that Sacramento was anywhere near as walkable as Oakland-not in the least.
Chinatown in Oakland( a dense downtown area) thrashes Sacramento to bits all by itself. Its Manhattan compared to anywhere in Sac.
Midtown Sac is boring outside of J Street, quite frankly and it turns out, walkscore agrees with me.
Oakland ranks 9th, Sac is 22nd.
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I was just pointing out it's disingenuous to say Sac only has two neighborhoods above a 90 walkscore
Okay tell us which areas apart from the 2 mentioned are 90+ so I can forward your grievances to walkscore.
Chinatown in Oakland( a dense downtown area) thrashes Sacramento to bits all by itself. Its Manhattan compared to anywhere in Sac.
Midtown Sac is boring outside of J Street, quite frankly and it turns out, walkscore agrees with me.
Oakland ranks 9th, Sac is 22nd.
Careful, you're starting to show how little you know about Sac. Look at the Oakland neighborhoods you've listed. You think East Oakland is more walkable than East Sac or Land Park?
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair
Okay tell us which areas apart from the 2 mentioned are 90+ so I can forward your grievances to walkscore.
Jfc walkscore isn't infallible, you should know that as an urban enthusiast and citydata addict. I hate having to repeat myself on this but here goes again. Look at walkscore's boundaries for downtown. Where is Alkali Flat, Mansion Flats? Southside Park? Look at walkscore's definition of Midtown. Where's Boulevard Park, New Era Park, Newton Booth, Poverty Ridge?
No way, where are you getting 15K from? The Grid is like 30K population and 100K weekly workforce population off the top of my head. And 55K for Oakland? The core from downtown up to Piedmont/Temescal is maybe 30K.
If you click on each city and scroll down to the neighborhoods it lists them by walkscore and their population. Workforce population isn't included in Walkscore calculations. Midtown really isn't that dense.
Walkscore is purely quantitative, not qualitative. A 7-11 down the highway shoulder counts just as much as a supermarket on a walkable street. And last I checked it didn't account for uncrossable boundaries, so the average place by the freeway isn't as accessible as they think. Apparently it's gotten better over time...are those aspects different now?
Edit: Workforce is a huge part of density that's often omitted from discussions. Same with hotel population. But both are aspects of neighborhood vitality, a viable restaurant market, etc. In a downtown they're huge aspects.
If you click on each city and scroll down to the neighborhoods it lists them by walkscore and their population. Workforce population isn't included in Walkscore calculations. Midtown really isn't that dense.
Midtown isn't very dense but it's very walkable. Walkscore isn't counting neighborhoods in the grid, see my post above, stop relying on it, flawed calculation. Look at actual census data for downtown and midtown.
Midtown isn't very dense but it's very walkable. Walkscore isn't counting neighborhoods in the grid, see my post above, stop relying on it, flawed calculation. Look at actual census data for downtown and midtown.
Ok, either way it's not really going to come close to Oakland when it comes to the # of residents living in areas with a high walkscore.
Careful, you're starting to show how little you know about Sac.
Haha careful the truth will come out? Sac's walkable areas are some secret? Get real, I lived in Sacramento for 3 years and I liked the place but its not more walkable or more vibrant overall than Oakland, actually it's not close.
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Look at the Oakland neighborhoods you've listed. You think East Oakland is more walkable than East Sac or Land Park?
Actually the Fruitvale district is far more walkable and vibrant than Land Park anf East Sac. Have you ever been? There is nothing like that in Sac.
But thats not all. Rockridge, Lakeshore, Grand, Montclair, Piedmont Av, are all upscale walkable areas that honestly dont have like areas in Sacramento.
Im not even sure what your trying to argue.
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Jfc walkscore isn't infallible
Yawns okay but infallible or not, Oakland is definitely more walkable on the whole than Sacramento.
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