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I have posted more than once on here how 31 of those areas that lost population between 2000 and 2010 have now gained people since 2010, reversing the trend. This does not count areas like downtown that were already gaining people. Did you not listen to me? No obviously you didn't. You have it in your head that there's only a few parts of town gaining people when it's not true - there's actually a lot and even numerous parts on the south side have now seen growth since 2010.
I'll produce a map for you today using 2014 ACS data versus 2010 decennial census data so you can see what I'm talking about, and hopefully you can look at it with an actual objective mind instead of being biased.
Holy crap. The data in your post shows an increase every year but one and all you can say is "a decrease every year." Do you seriously listen to yourself talk? Even the net between the first year and last year is an increase.
You'd probably be better off going back to 1st grade to learn basic math again. Even my 10 year old nephew (who doesn't live in Chicago nor has ever been there, so he wouldn't be invested in being biased) would know how full off **** you are right now. I didn't know they were letting elementary school kids on this site now.
You mean the 25,000 people that were added in a total of 5 years?
The Chicago population change has been decreasing year by year to finally a negative number in 2015. What's so hard to understand? Do you not understand what decline means?
de·cline
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verb
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(typically of something regarded as good) become smaller, fewer, or less; decrease.
You mean the 25,000 people that were added in a total of 5 years?
The Chicago population change has been decreasing year by year to finally a negative number in 2015. What's so hard to understand? Do you not understand what decline means?
I think the issue that you are having is that you are confusing rate of change with actual change. The rate of change YOY decreased - sure. The issue is that it's just one year in the negative as far as actual change goes, not rate of change. The issue is that the decline in rate of change YOY was very gradual then BOOM. This is actually counter to what's going on in the city right now and as someone who knows what is going on in the city (not just downtown or in the north side), I have no doubts that it will be reversed when the 2016 numbers come out based on everything I know.
Most of the city is not in decline even population wise - quite the opposite. Some areas are for sure - most cities have areas that are in decline. Even NYC does believe it or not. I'll show you the data soon in map form and will give you enough information to be able to check my work.
The handful of areas that are in decline that make up most of it for the city are getting a much needed boost now. The city treasurer, who is an amazing guy, got the mayor to sign off on a $100M deal for these communities for economic and educational development. He is a former invesetor, trader, etc so he has gotten investment firms from across the country to buy into it which should increase that $100M to much more, but he also grew up in a bad part of Chicago so he understands the actual issues facing them (and he seems to think that violence in these communities is largely due to economics) probably better than anybody else in as high up of a position in city government.
That guy should actually consider running for mayor. Many people want him to - many people in the neighborhoods that feel left out by Emmanuel want him, as do the people in the prosperous areas.
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So you think Toronto is equal to Hong Kong,NYC and London ?And you think i have a flawed way of thinking??
I don't know what drugs you're on but I never said that.
NYC and London are Alpha++
Toronto is Alpha.
Not sure how pointing that out to you is saying I think they're equal. Quite the opposite. You're the one who wanted to call them all alpha cities. I'm saying there is a distinction.
Every city faces issue - even cities that are booming whether it's LA or NYC faces issues. Anybody who denies this is outright ridiculous. There's no such thing as a perfect city anywhere in the entire world. There will always be issues, unfortunately. Not knowing this is denying reality.
Of course. No city is perfect. Stop trying to change the subject though and act as if someone said other cities don't face issues. No one said that.
This thread is about Chicago, Toronto and Montreal. And Chicago's is clearly in decline compared to Toronto. I don't see why that statement makes you so emotional when it's nothing but the truth.
Perhaps you glossed over the fact that Los Angeles and Chicago have nearly the same amount on this list, even though the population of the LA area is 3+ million more than Chicago. Nobody would say that the LA area is in decline, yet here you are being shown data that shows LA and Chicago areas are nearly neck and neck but it doesn't mean anything.
Or perhaps you glossed over the percentages that show Chicago has the 2nd highest increase of any of those metro areas. Only NYC has a higher increase. Even if for next year Chicago's rate were cut in half from above and LA's stayed the same, they would both end up with the same amount, tied.
They are clearly doing some things right. Chicago on the other hand is going a bit in the wrong direction.
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A couple a years ago Miami was high on this same list.Atlanta is way smaller than SF.Houston is smaller in poulation also but because it has such huge bondaries,more people are in it.
True. But we can't magically change Houstons city boundaries. The city is the way it is.
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When has CORRUPTION ever NOT been an issue in Chicago?LOL
Chicago has lost population and gained periodically throughout its history.
Several booming cities in the U.S. have poor schools sytems and terrible governents.Look at Birmingham Al.Its finally growing and signs are everywhere of its new found economic prosperity but givernment still bad and schools even worse than Chicago's. Birmingham is a small city in the south that is not apart of the thread title.
Stop using other cities as a distraction for Chicago's public school problems.
What an 'activist' said back in 2015 is completely different than what is actually going on.
And what riders say... well, they don't see all what goes on and where money goes. All that they see is if the bus is late or delayed and complain. Let's take a look at a bit of investment into the TTC. Shall we?
Bridges/structures maintenance: $4,731,500. June 1, 2016.
T1 rail yard accommodation: $4,910,000. June 1, 2016.
Subway facility renewal program: $4,263,500. July 1, 2016.
Fire main replacement at wilson yard: $4,009,500. Dec. 1, 2016.
Retrofit of CH & shop traction power pendant System: $619,500. Jan. 1, 2017.
Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) ATC resignalling: $4,500,000. April 1, 2016
Subway escalator overhaul program: $5,534,500. April 1, 2016.
Escalator replacement program: $1,300,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
Subway pump replacement program: $3,376,500. July 1, 2016.
Fire ventilation upgrade: $1,375,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
TTC backflow preventers: $1,243,500. July 1, 2016.
On grade paving: $4,786,500. July 1, 2016.
Structural paving: $1,887,500. June 1, 2016.
Skylight replacement program: $85,000. Feb. 1, 2017.
Stations transformation (incl Zone Hubs): $9,185,500. April 1, 2016.
Subway track rehabilitation program: $14,097,500. April 1, 2016.
Turnout rehabilitation program: $11,470,000. April 1, 2016.
Subway Rail Grinding: $2,874,500. April 1, 2016.
Train door monitoring system - T1 & TR (overhaul and communications): $17,569,000. April 1, 2016.
T1 subway cars - 20 year overhaul: $5,772,000. April 1, 2016.
T1 subway cars - 15-year overhaul: $11,191,500. April 1, 2016.
TR subway cars - seven-year overhaul: $4,386,000. April 1, 2016.
Subway workcars: $7,710,000. April 1, 2016.
LRV carhouse facility & renewal: $378,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
Surface track replacement program: $23,032,500. Jan. 1, 2017.
Surface special trackwork replacement program: $8,152,500. Jan. 1, 2017.
Reconstruction of streetcar overhead: $8,219,000. April 1, 2016.
Life extension overhaul of 40 articulated light rail vehicles (ALRVs): $12,955,000. April 1, 2016.
Bus hoists: $8,084,000. July 1, 2016.
Bus washracks: $2,973,500. July 1, 2016.
Platform modifications to accommodate articulated buses. $10,000,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
Transit signal priorities: $13,495,000. Sept.1, 2016.
Purchase of four of 99 low floor 40-foot diesel buses. $1,315,000. April 1, 2016.
Orion VII diesel & nova Arctic bus rebuild program: $41,465,000. April 1, 2016.
Replacement of orion VII hybrid bus components: $8,423,500. April 1, 2016.
APC expansion to remainder of TTC 60 foot bus fleet: $531,000. April 1, 2016.
APC expansion to remainder of TTC 40 foot bus fleet and ALRVs: $4,659,000. Nov. 1, 2016.
APC equipment on LRV fleet order: $350,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
Customer facing information screens (CFIS): $2,500,000. April 1, 2016.
VISION (CAD/AVL): $15,000,000. April 1, 2016.
Easier access phase III: $3,475,000. July 1, 2016.
AODA Requirements - subway fleet, buses, streetcars: $5,163,500. April 1, 2016.
T1 pre-boarding announcement system: $1,573,000. April 1, 2016.
201 Wheel-Trans buses: $4,345,000. April 1, 2016.
WT friendly bus rebuild program: $2,115,500. April 1, 2016.
Bus stop improvements for accessibility: $10,000,000. September 1, 2016.
Wheel trans transformation program: $4,780,500. April 1, 2016.
Maintenance of joint TTC / Toronto transportation bridges: $2,073,500. April 1, 2016.
Tunnel & station leak remediation program: $4,892,500. April 1, 2016.
Structure rehabilitation program: $16,479,500. April 1, 2016.
Storage tanks – oil Interceptors: $640,000. Dec. 1, 2016.
Subway asbestos removal program: $3,793,500. April 1, 2016.
Roofing rehabilitation program: $12,126,500. April 1, 2016.
Union station infrastructure: $750,000. April 1, 2016.
Finch West LRT early works: $25 million. April 1, 2016.
SmartTrack Planning and Design: $3 million. April 1, 2016.
Eglinton West LRT planning and design: $3,500,000. April 1, 2016.
Scarborough Subway Extension planning and design: $125,000. April 1, 2016.
Eglinton East LRT planning and design: $3,500,000. April 1, 2016.
Relief line planning and design: $27,760,000. April 1, 2016.
Waterfront Transit Design: $1,800,000. April 1, 2016.
Cycling
Eglinton Connects streetscape Improvements and Cycle Tracks: $8,900,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
West Toronto Railpath Extension: $11,750,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
East Don Trail: $11,250,000. Nov. 1, 2016.
Surface transit operational Improvement studies: $250,000. Feb. 1, 2017.
Bicycle parking at 40 TTC stations: $425,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
Bike Share Toronto expansion at 50 TTC stations: $1,250,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
Flemingdon Park-Thorncliffe park neighbourhood cycling connections: $1,500,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
Eglinton Avenue East bicycle lanes. $541,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
Burnhamthorpe/Renforth boulevard multi-use trail to Kipling Station: $1,045,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
York University cycling connections: $111,500. Sept. 1, 2016.
Dufferin Street North Trail/cycle track: $700,000. Sept. 1, 2016.
Midland Avenue multi-use trail: $4,500,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
Other projects
Transit signal priority system renewal study: $50,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
Accessible pedestrian signals expansion: $1,200,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Automated pedestrian detection upgrades: $150,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
New mid-block crossings to transit stops: $1,500,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Reductions of curb radii at key intersections: $125,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Geometric safety improvements - removal of channelized right turns: $900,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Missing sidewalk links: $660,000. Jan. 1, 2017.
Missing sidewalk links - 2018: $855,000. Jan. 1, 2018.
Missing sidewalk links - 2018 Road Safety Plan: $250,000. Jan. 1, 2018.
Increase crossing times - Modification of signals and timings: $115,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Reduced crossing distance - curb extensions/neckdowns: $90,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Sidewalk extensions for accessibility: $75,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Signalized crossings for cyclists: $90,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Pavement marking improvements: $200,000. Aug. 1, 2016.
Real-time alternative transportation information screens: $30,000. Sept. 1, 2017.
LED blank-out signs for turn restrictions: $380,000. Jan. 1, 2018.
GTA and Hamilton Area: Metrolinx - Enterprise Asset Management: $22,985,233. July 1, 2016
GTA and Hamilton Areaavenport Diamond Program: $5,000,000. Sept. 1, 2016
This list^ doesn't include the additional billions of dollars for other subway, light rail lines that are under construction and others that will be starting soon.
Nice try though. I applaud your effort.
What is Chicago getting????????
Post a list and let's compare transit investment between the two cities. Chicago's transit systems moves much less people than the TTC, so I imagine the list I'm waiting to see from you will be much smaller in comparison.
An article from 2012? Hmm...
I don't think I need to pull up the Laquan McDonald tapes. Or should I? The Shooting of Laquan McDonald (who was walking AWAY from Chicago's racist police) has it's own Wikipedia page and it's pretty lengthy.
Or what about how the Justice Department is investigating the Chicago Police Department for what appears to be systemic corruption and abuse.I'll save the city some embarrassment.
LOL, y'all get so emotional about facts that you have to bring up one article from nearly 5 years ago lol in order to get something going, but it doesn't work.
While in Chicago police corruption and cover ups are an everyday thing and are a nationally (and probably internationally) known for that.
Your mayor has to make a speech like every week about his corrupt force and at the same time how (insert random weekend) had 4 dead, 17 wounded in shootings and how "we have to do better".
Wash, rinse, repeat
Actually, I think Chicago's population is around 2,688,000 by now and going down to 2,594,000 by 2020 Census final count.
Based on what data? The US Census, who collects this data, does not agree with you - so I'm wondering what data you have that is somehow more official than the census.
They are clearly doing some things right. Chicago on the other hand is going a bit in the wrong direction.
So basically, you think the only thing that matters is population and economic growth means nothing. What an incredibly naive thing to say. Never go into public policy, economics, or city planning. Ever. You have not a single clue of how to measure the health of a city on the whole. What's concerning to me is that no matter what positive data that is brought up to show the city is doing better than most think, that you have to spin it. We get it - you hate Chicago. You think that by putting down Chicago, it's making Toronto look better. I have news for you - no it doesn't. Toronto is a great city in its own right and is not influenced as a whole by what happens in Chicago. Both cities can be doing well at the same time. I can admit that Toronto and NYC are doing well at the same time and both are great cities because I don't hate either city. Stop letting your hate stop you from seeing the positive things that are happening.
Actually, I think Chicago's population is around 2,688,000 by now and going down to 2,594,000 by 2020 Census final count.
^Ouch.
If that isn't decline then I don't know what is. With the Trump administration coming on board, who knows what holds in store for Chicago in the coming years. I don't know if its a good thing or a bad thing for the city. Chicago primarily voted liberal and voted for Clinton, but we'll see what happens.
So basically, you think the only thing that matters is population and economic growth means nothing. What an incredibly naive thing to say. Never go into public policy, economics, or city planning. Ever. You have not a single clue of how to measure the health of a city.
I already made a brief list of various things that matter and also mentioned that economic growth is not the only factor. The list included crime, schools, taxes, debt, etc. Its a recent post of mine.
If you would like me to find and link my post for you, let me know. I will be happy to do so.
I already made a brief list of various things that matter and also mentioned that economic growth is not the only factor. The list included crime, schools, taxes, debt, etc. Its a recent post of mine.
If you would like me to find and link my post for you, let me know. I will be happy to do so.
And I posted a list of things that the city has improved on well. Do these not mean anything to you? No of course not, because you don't even live in Chicago and don't experience what's going on there in a daily basis. You haven't a ****ing clue and if you think you do, sorry, no.
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