Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Which megapolis would come first?
Texas triangle 109 52.91%
Piedmont Atlantic 97 47.09%
Voters: 206. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-21-2010, 09:24 PM
 
4,775 posts, read 8,836,877 times
Reputation: 3101

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthmoreAve View Post
Piedmont Atlantic-
Atlanta: 269,799
Charlotte: 118,350
Birmingham: 54,274
Relaigh: 53,464
Durham/Chapel Hill: 32,309
Greensboro: 33,175
Greenville,SC: 24,829
Winston-Salem: 21,936
Total GRP(Gross Regional Product): 608,136

Texas Triangle-
Houston: 403,202
DFW: 379,863
San Antonio: 80,896
Austin: 80,077
Killen/Temple: 14,552
Waco: 7,943
*couldnt find Bryan/CS numbers, so I'm guessing their economically irrelevant surprisingly.
Total GRP: 966,500

The Piedmont has less than 2/3, or 62.9% of the GAP of the Texas Triangle, so it depends on what your definition of superiority is. But it kind of is, considering the Piedmont has about 19 million residents, while the TX Triangle is closer to 17-17.5 million, so having a million+ less people yet having more than 1.5 times the GRP is being superior.

(2008 Figures from the BEA)
Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth together has a larger economy than the entire piedmont.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-21-2010, 10:33 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
8,180 posts, read 14,860,458 times
Reputation: 2698
I think the real question is, do we really WANT to see both of the areas continuously built up between their major metro areas? It would be an absolute sprawlicious mess.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-21-2010, 11:04 PM
 
Location: The City
22,378 posts, read 38,895,654 times
Reputation: 7976
Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthmoreAve View Post
Piedmont Atlantic-
Atlanta: 269,799
Charlotte: 118,350
Birmingham: 54,274
Relaigh: 53,464
Durham/Chapel Hill: 32,309
Greensboro: 33,175
Greenville,SC: 24,829
Winston-Salem: 21,936
Total GRP(Gross Regional Product): 608,136

Texas Triangle-
Houston: 403,202
DFW: 379,863
San Antonio: 80,896
Austin: 80,077
Killen/Temple: 14,552
Waco: 7,943
*couldnt find Bryan/CS numbers, so I'm guessing their economically irrelevant surprisingly.
Total GRP: 966,500

The Piedmont has less than 2/3, or 62.9% of the GAP of the Texas Triangle, so it depends on what your definition of superiority is. But it kind of is, considering the Piedmont has about 19 million residents, while the TX Triangle is closer to 17-17.5 million, so having a million+ less people yet having more than 1.5 times the GRP is being superior.

(2008 Figures from the BEA)
But this is largely based on coprorate HQs which are good but not always the best measure of an area's income - plus oil companies inflate these metrics for Houston significantly

not all that money actually goes to the respective area - just reflected on the P&L of a corporate financial report
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-21-2010, 11:40 PM
 
4,843 posts, read 6,099,045 times
Reputation: 4670
Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthmoreAve View Post
Piedmont Atlantic-
Atlanta: 269,799
Charlotte: 118,350
Birmingham: 54,274
Relaigh: 53,464
Durham/Chapel Hill: 32,309
Greensboro: 33,175
Greenville,SC: 24,829
Winston-Salem: 21,936
Total GRP(Gross Regional Product): 608,136

Texas Triangle-
Houston: 403,202
DFW: 379,863
San Antonio: 80,896
Austin: 80,077
Killen/Temple: 14,552
Waco: 7,943
*couldnt find Bryan/CS numbers, so I'm guessing their economically irrelevant surprisingly.
Total GRP: 966,500

The Piedmont has less than 2/3, or 62.9% of the GAP of the Texas Triangle, so it depends on what your definition of superiority is. But it kind of is, considering the Piedmont has about 19 million residents, while the TX Triangle is closer to 17-17.5 million, so having a million+ less people yet having more than 1.5 times the GRP is being superior.

(2008 Figures from the BEA)
Because Houston and Dallas the Texas triangle is going to be higher but on the piedmont you left these 8 little MSAs they aren’t apart of the larger ones but between Cullman, Anniston, Gadsden, Tuscaloosa, and Talladega Al, Athens GA. Spartanburg and Anderson SC. They’re over 100,000 each and Together there over 1,000,000 people I know you didn’t add them to the piedmont. So there there's maybe 708,136 like 100,000 more to the Piedmont GRP your just Ignoring. And wouldn’t say the Texas triangle is superior I say the Texas triangle and Piedmont Atlantic is competitive but the triangle has a edge. But everything is not about GRP Besides energy and having a seaport the piedmont area would almost dominate in everything else. Education, Medical, Biotech, Media, Food industry, financial, Retail and etc heck we probably gain more in tourism and convention too. I mean just the idea of combining Atlanta education and research with North Carolina cities is bananas.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2010, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
20,514 posts, read 33,519,512 times
Reputation: 12147
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiatldal View Post
Because Houston and Dallas the Texas triangle is going to be higher but on the piedmont you left these 8 little MSAs they aren’t apart of the larger ones but between Cullman, Anniston, Gadsden, Tuscaloosa, and Talladega Al, Athens GA. Spartanburg and Anderson SC. They’re over 100,000 each and Together there over 1,000,000 people I know you didn’t add them to the piedmont. So there there's maybe 708,136 like 100,000 more to the Piedmont GRP your just Ignoring. And wouldn’t say the Texas triangle is superior I say the Texas triangle and Piedmont Atlantic is competitive but the triangle has a edge. But everything is not about GRP Besides energy and having a seaport the piedmont area would almost dominate in everything else. Education, Medical, Biotech, Media, Food industry, financial, Retail and etc heck we probably gain more in tourism and convention too. I mean just the idea of combining Atlanta education and research with North Carolina cities is bananas.
Medical? Nah
Biotech? Maybe
Media? Certainly
Food Industry? Nah
Financial? Yeah
Retail? equal
Tourism? equal
Convention? equal

I think the Piedmont dominates in Media and Financial. But not the others.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2010, 05:03 AM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
9,221 posts, read 15,949,325 times
Reputation: 3545
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidphilly View Post
But this is largely based on coprorate HQs which are good but not always the best measure of an area's income - plus oil companies inflate these metrics for Houston significantly

not all that money actually goes to the respective area - just reflected on the P&L of a corporate financial report
You always say this, but can you prove it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by chiatldal View Post
Because Houston and Dallas the Texas triangle is going to be higher but on the piedmont you left these 8 little MSAs they aren’t apart of the larger ones but between Cullman, Anniston, Gadsden, Tuscaloosa, and Talladega Al, Athens GA. Spartanburg and Anderson SC. They’re over 100,000 each and Together there over 1,000,000 people I know you didn’t add them to the piedmont. So there there's maybe 708,136 like 100,000 more to the Piedmont GRP your just Ignoring. And wouldn’t say the Texas triangle is superior I say the Texas triangle and Piedmont Atlantic is competitive but the triangle has a edge. But everything is not about GRP Besides energy and having a seaport the piedmont area would almost dominate in everything else. Education, Medical, Biotech, Media, Food industry, financial, Retail and etc heck we probably gain more in tourism and convention too. I mean just the idea of combining Atlanta education and research with North Carolina cities is bananas.
Nope.

Education - draw
Medical - Texas Triangle
Biotech - draw
Media - Piedmont
Food Industry - Texas Triangle
Financial - Piedmont
Retail - Texas Triangle
Tourism - I'd say draw for now, but the TT leading in the future
Convention - Texas Triangle
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2010, 07:57 AM
 
Location: metro ATL
8,180 posts, read 14,860,458 times
Reputation: 2698
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface713 View Post
You always say this, but can you prove it?



Nope.

Education - draw
Medical - Texas Triangle
Biotech - draw
Media - Piedmont
Food Industry - Texas Triangle
Financial - Piedmont
Retail - Texas Triangle
Tourism - I'd say draw for now, but the TT leading in the future
Convention - Texas Triangle
Education goes to the Piedmont easily. Atlanta and Raleigh-Durham alone are enough for that one. I'd give Texas a slight edge in the medical field largely because of Houston, but the Piedmont is not very far behind at all. Maybe that's worth looking into though, because it could be equal with Raleigh-Durham, Atlanta, and Birmingham taking the lead in that area. Don't know enough about biotech as an industry in Texas to really say, but that is Raleigh-Durham's specialty.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2010, 09:09 AM
 
Location: The land of Chicago
867 posts, read 2,139,233 times
Reputation: 1124
texas triangle no question
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2010, 10:43 AM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
5,429 posts, read 14,838,516 times
Reputation: 3672
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiatldal View Post
Texas triangle
Dallas- Ft Worth, Austin, San Antonio and Houston

Texaplex - on YouTube
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2010, 10:55 AM
 
213 posts, read 420,948 times
Reputation: 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spade View Post
Medical? Nah
Biotech? Maybe
Media? Certainly
Food Industry? Nah
Financial? Yeah
Retail? equal
Tourism? equal
Convention? equal

I think the Piedmont dominates in Media and Financial. But not the others.
Atlanta Alone is more tourism and conventions from overseas and local. I know it passed Houston for both..

Most visited cities by overall overseas travelers 2009

1. New York City - 7,792,000
2. Miami - 2,661,000
3. Los Angeles - 2,518,000
4. Orlando - 2,399,000
5, San Francisco - 2,233,000
6. Las Vegas - 1,853,000
7. Washington - 1,544,000
8. Honolulu - 1,497,000
9. Boston - 1,140,000
10. Chicago - 1,118,000
11. San Diego - 618,000
12. Philadelphia - 594,000
13. Atlanta - 570,000
14. Houston - 428,000

Top Cities for Leisure Travel.

1. New York City - 20.5%
2. Miami 14.8%
3. Los Angeles 9.8%
4. Honolulu 8.9%
5. Newark 7.7%
6. Guam 6.7%
7. Chicago 5.3%
8. Orlando 5%
9. San Francisco 4.9%
10. Atlanta 2.7%
11. Washington 2.5%
12. Boston 1.8%
13. Philadelphia 1.6%
14. Houston 1.2%

Top Cities for Business Travel.

1. New York City - 17.5%
2. Miami 12.7%
3. Los Angeles 11.9%
4. Chicago 8.8%
5. San Francisco 8.6%
6. Newark 8.3%
7. Atlanta 5.8%
8. Washington 5.6%
9. Houston 3.6%
10. Boston 3.1%
11. Philadelphia 2.5%
12. Honolulu 1.1%
13. Orlando 0.9%
14. Guam 0.3%

http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/outreachpag...or_Profile.pdf
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top