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Originally Posted by Robertfchew
Yeah I hate bible thumpers too. Matter of fact I hate all these people who think their ideas are so much more important than everyone else. I really don't get why people refuse gay marriage. It doesn't affect them just ignore it. On the other hand gay folk should accept that most don't mind/care about their life so stop trying to force everyone who doesn't like you to accept your lifestyle. No matter how much you pout you will never have 100% support. And back on topic trannys know they are the ones with the issues why cant they just adapt since they are such a tiny group of individuals and feel entitled to make others uncomfortable.
Blah, blah, blah... typical response. Do you people have some machine that automatically generates canned responses every few years? "Force everyone to accept your lifestyle." Yawn. I guess the tired old "Adam and Steve" argument has been retired. Rub a couple brain cells together and try to comprehend this: no one is asking for you to accept it: they're asking for the same rights. Your opinion to most gay people is that annoying piece of dog poo someone stepped in-- it's irritating when it happens, it shows inconsideration and self-entitlement of the person responsible for leaving it there, but whoever stepped in it scraped it off and went about his/her life without giving you a second thought.
Transgenders don't have the issue, you do. They're using public or communal areas, and I trust you either have at least a basic understanding of what those are, or can at least use a dictionary to look up the words if you don't. If not, let's go by example of what are technically minority groups that cause me discomfort, emotional or physical, in PUBLIC spaces:
-Street preachers on city sidewalks who judge everyone but themselves (even most religious people aren't that fanatic and crazy)
-When I take the train to go downtown and someone with body odor is in my vicinity (though most people on the train have decent hygiene)
-When I go to the store and bratty children (~13% of the US population) run around, scream, run into me, block my way, etc.
-I find myself feeling a bit claustrophobic on an airline when an obese person (~35% of the population) spills into my seat (even though I make a conscious effort to care for my body more)
Hmm... we have a conundrum here. If I go by your logic, then what I feel is more important than whatever anyone else's circumstances are, and those mentioned are all statistically minorities. I guess we need to ban them all from leaving the house... but in continuation of this ratiocination, you and I both have qualities that are sure to cause others distress and we're probably lumped into some sort of minority, which then means everyone must be banned from going out. Or maybe, we can just accept it and move on. When I go out in public, I know that I could run into someone who is *gasp* different from me! Oh, the horror of that! My god... the only thing I can do is *gulp* suck it up and realize there are differences in people. My brother in pain, should you have to fall from your ivory tower and into the muck with me, be forewarned that there are mirrors down here, and you DON'T want to catch a glimpse of yourself in one of those... otherwise you'll see you're just as flawed as everyone else. Take comfort in the fact that you don't have to see how you look through someone else's eyes.
Out of curiosity, how many transgenders have knocked on your door and asked you to convert? Or how many have left leaflets on your door or windshield to push an agenda? Or how many have called you at home to demand support? None? That's what I thought. I've had all sorts of religious kooks disturb my PRIVATE residence or property to force their beliefs and wacky lifestyle onto me. Now, between transgenders and missionaries, which one is being more forceful on pushing a lifestyle?
Blah, blah, blah... typical response. Do you people have some machine that automatically generates canned responses every few years? "Force everyone to accept your lifestyle." Yawn. I guess the tired old "Adam and Steve" argument has been retired. Rub a couple brain cells together and try to comprehend this: no one is asking for you to accept it: they're asking for the same rights. Your opinion to most gay people is that annoying piece of dog poo someone stepped in-- it's irritating when it happens, it shows inconsideration and self-entitlement of the person responsible for leaving it there, but whoever stepped in it scraped it off and went about his/her life without giving you a second thought.
Transgenders don't have the issue, you do. They're using public or communal areas, and I trust you either have at least a basic understanding of what those are, or can at least use a dictionary to look up the words if you don't. If not, let's go by example of what are technically minority groups that cause me discomfort, emotional or physical, in PUBLIC spaces:
-Street preachers on city sidewalks who judge everyone but themselves (even most religious people aren't that fanatic and crazy)
-When I take the train to go downtown and someone with body odor is in my vicinity (though most people on the train have decent hygiene)
-When I go to the store and bratty children (~13% of the US population) run around, scream, run into me, block my way, etc.
-I find myself feeling a bit claustrophobic on an airline when an obese person (~35% of the population) spills into my seat (even though I make a conscious effort to care for my body more)
Hmm... we have a conundrum here. If I go by your logic, then what I feel is more important than whatever anyone else's circumstances are, and those mentioned are all statistically minorities. I guess we need to ban them all from leaving the house... but in continuation of this ratiocination, you and I both have qualities that are sure to cause others distress and we're probably lumped into some sort of minority, which then means everyone must be banned from going out. Or maybe, we can just accept it and move on. When I go out in public, I know that I could run into someone who is *gasp* different from me! Oh, the horror of that! My god... the only thing I can do is *gulp* suck it up and realize there are differences in people. My brother in pain, should you have to fall from your ivory tower and into the muck with me, be forewarned that there are mirrors down here, and you DON'T want to catch a glimpse of yourself in one of those... otherwise you'll see you're just as flawed as everyone else. Take comfort in the fact that you don't have to see how you look through someone else's eyes.
Out of curiosity, how many transgenders have knocked on your door and asked you to convert? Or how many have left leaflets on your door or windshield to push an agenda? Or how many have called you at home to demand support? None? That's what I thought. I've had all sorts of religious kooks disturb my PRIVATE residence or property to force their beliefs and wacky lifestyle onto me. Now, between transgenders and missionaries, which one is being more forceful on pushing a lifestyle?
What about a MAN having a PENIS but thinking he's a woman do you not get. That is an issue pal.
Since you didn't read the entire thread ill tell you my position again. It's not necessarily the tranny himself that bugs people it's the idea that any perv can say Im a woman and enter the locker room rest room. I already posted proof that someone took advantage of it an assaulted someone. So tell me again why you trannys think your own spectacle is more important than everyone else?
Why do you keep bringing up bible thumpers? Gays do the same thing they just do it in a different manner. It's all about an agenda of telling people what they can and can't believe. You also cant comprehend that someone can disagree with all the gay antics but have no issue with them personally. It's their life they can do as they please until they start thinking we all have to support and cheer them on or else be labeled a bigot. You're beyond delusional bud.
Freaks of nature want to be viewed as normal and natural. That is all. Instead of telling them like it is folks are coddling them.
yep and they are more than welcome to be weird but stop forcing people to accept it. They need to accept not everyone is gonna see them in a positive light.
It's time for mainstream society to push back against the Gay Mafia's promotion of their sick, dysfunctional, perverse lifestyles in our faces 24/7. Common sense says, If you have a penis, then you don't belong in the women's room.
Making other members aware of what is going on is not abuse.
Planet Fitness called her action"disruptive" and I certainly hope it was. We need more of this kind of action, not less, and she is to be commended for her courage in the face of the lunacy that has rotted our current culture.
There is zero equivalency between race and the perverse spectacle of attempts at turning gender inside out and upside down that we are witnessing today.
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Originally Posted by Robertfchew
What about a MAN having a PENIS but thinking he's a woman do you not get. That is an issue pal.
Since you didn't read the entire thread ill tell you my position again. It's not necessarily the tranny himself that bugs people it's the idea that any perv can say Im a woman and enter the locker room rest room. I already posted proof that someone took advantage of it an assaulted someone. So tell me again why you trannys think your own spectacle is more important than everyone else?
Why do you keep bringing up bible thumpers? Gays do the same thing they just do it in a different manner. It's all about an agenda of telling people what they can and can't believe. You also cant comprehend that someone can disagree with all the gay antics but have no issue with them personally. It's their life they can do as they please until they start thinking we all have to support and cheer them on or else be labeled a bigot. You're beyond delusional bud.
Oh, someone took advantage of it, so we have to disallow it altogether. We also have rules against rape and molesting children, and because it's against the law no one does that I suppose you have some special insight into this particular transgender's life, don't you? And I'm sure the media did a very thorough job of providing ALL the details. Transgenders do have to undergo a long process, including consulting with a counselor who makes them live as the opposite gender before they agree to consent to another doctor giving their patient hormone therapy. If you were to take one dose of those hormones, it wouldn't really do that much. You have to take it repeatedly for months before it starts to work. Then there are surgeries to add or remove breasts, alter genitalia and possible cosmetic surgery. The whole thing can take a few years, and often comes to a stop at points because of budgetary issues. So, as I apparently missed something the media reported in this story, I'll wait while you find where in the process she is.
I told you why I brought up Bible-thumpers. I'll tell you again and more thoroughly, but if this pattern repeats you still won't get it. I'll try to use small words:
-You say transgenders are minorities. The religious right is a minority (just louder and more in-your-face)
-You accuse transgenders of trying to force their lives on you. Bible-thumpers do the same, and have put more of their superstitious beliefs into laws than gays/lesbians and transgenders combined.
-Transgenders are asking to be treated with dignity (and many of you think that's unreasonable) so they can live freely, you know... what this country says it stands for? Bible-thumpers want to have their beliefs put into law and control what others do, take their stance on LGBT rights, abortion, liquor laws, medicinal or recreational marijuana, teaching evolution in schools, allowing THEIR religion to be in schools, allowing the Ten Commandments to be posted on government property (as long as no one else can do the same) etc.
-Doctors rarely allow transgenders to begin the process without regularly seeing a behavioral health specialist (most likely so they can't be sued) and after working with one for at least a year, they are cleared to begin the process if they're deemed mentally fit. Bible-thumpers believe in hocus pocus, zombies and events that have been scientifically disproved (And that's not considered a sickness???)
-Transgenders go out in public and try to live as everyone else, and for the most part just want to be left alone. Bible-thumpers go to you to try to force their wacky lifestyle on people.
And on a personal note, transgenders have done nothing to affect my personal life, but Bible-thumpers have. Again you bring up "the gay agenda". Why don't you spend a week or so to come up with a new bit of rhetoric? Are you just not intelligent enough to separate asking for equality from forcing beliefs, or are you just that brainwashed by whatever primitive thoughts your parents instilled in you? So why don't you provide very specific instances of how gays/lesbians are forcing you to cheer and support the community (and read the question before this sentence a few dozen times so that it sinks in before you do).
I read this article and I think it's quite foolish. Do you know how many men are now going to play the transgender card just so they can be peeping toms? This was not a woman, just because one identifies as or feels like a woman does not mean that he is one (which is the case here). If planet fitness wants to allow men to use the woman's lockerrooms and vice versa and claim they are not hurting anybody that's all good. They just need to change their insane policy on head gear as well.
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I suppose you have some special insight into this particular transgender's life, don't you? And I'm sure the media did a very thorough job of providing ALL the details. Transgenders do have to undergo a long process, including consulting with a counselor who makes them live as the opposite gender before they agree to consent to another doctor giving their patient hormone therapy. If you were to take one dose of those hormones, it wouldn't really do that much. You have to take it repeatedly for months before it starts to work. Then there are surgeries to add or remove breasts, alter genitalia and possible cosmetic surgery. The whole thing can take a few years, and often comes to a stop at points because of budgetary issues. So, as I apparently missed something the media reported in this story, I'll wait while you find where in the process she is.
