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Old 08-10-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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It doesn't matter. That wasn't a crime punishable by death. All I want is due process for people. You don't have to be an "angel" to get due process, it is supposedly guaranteed by our constitution.
To get due process you must be willing to paticipate in the process.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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It is illegal to insult a police officer, depending on how the insult is rendered. You can say "I think you are a pig" and you are covered by the US Constitution/Bill of Rights. You cannot say "You are a pig" because that is called slander and is illegal. Go ahead, walk up to a cop and say the first and they might argue with you but won't arrest you. Say the other and get ready for a ride.
oh my... you clearly do not know the difference between civil and criminal law. It is not "illegal" to call a cop anything no matter how foul or inappropriate. Slander is NOT a crime, I repeat NOT A CRIME. It is a tort, a civil issue.

Certain facts must be established for someone to be found guilty of slander. Assuming there is proof that the defendant uttered the alleged statement, the statement must be overheard by someone other than the subject or other “privileged” parties. Slander must also clearly identify the party or entity, and the intent must be malicious.

At least in California, a Police Officer cannot sue for slander, defamation of character of making false charges to a Police Officer Walker v. Kiousis
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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To get due process you must be willing to paticipate in the process.
to get due process you also need to be alive
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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It doesn't matter. That wasn't a crime punishable by death. All I want is due process for people. You don't have to be an "angel" to get due process, it is supposedly guaranteed by our constitution.
How about in situations like this all the cops do is surround the suspect or location instead of attempting an arrest. Call mom and dad to try and talk sense to the person. Offer a free education or other reward for turning himself in. There are all sorts of alternatives to making an arrest.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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How about in situations like this all the cops do is surround the suspect or location instead of attempting an arrest. Call mom and dad to try and talk sense to the person. Offer a free education or other reward for turning himself in. There are all sorts of alternatives to making an arrest.
I think the guy in this case probably should have been arrested. But deadly force seems unnecessary. I would like to see more "alternative" approaches to de-escalate situations instead of pulling out their guns and shooting.

And resisting arrest in many times is bogus. The police pull someone over without just cause. Refuse to tell the person why they are stopped. Then they get arrested for resisting arrest.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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to get due process you also need to be alive
Which means not to do anything that would put your life in jeporady.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I would love it if all the apologists for criminals actually had to deal with them for a while. Lots of lessons would be learned.
Just out of curiosity, what's your extensive experience dealing with criminals?
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It is illegal to insult a police officer, depending on how the insult is rendered. You can say "I think you are a pig" and you are covered by the US Constitution/Bill of Rights. You cannot say "You are a pig" because that is called slander and is illegal. Go ahead, walk up to a cop and say the first and they might argue with you but won't arrest you. Say the other and get ready for a ride.
I doubt you're right, but if you can show me law that says differently, I'll listen.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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One less piece of garbage means one step closer to a safer America.

Human garbage is in the eyes of the beholder.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I doubt you're right, but if you can show me law that says differently, I'll listen.
He can't

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oh my... you clearly do not know the difference between civil and criminal law. It is not "illegal" to call a cop anything no matter how foul or inappropriate. Slander is NOT a crime, I repeat NOT A CRIME. It is a tort, a civil issue.

Certain facts must be established for someone to be found guilty of slander. Assuming there is proof that the defendant uttered the alleged statement, the statement must be overheard by someone other than the subject or other “privileged” parties. Slander must also clearly identify the party or entity, and the intent must be malicious.

At least in California, a Police Officer cannot sue for slander, defamation of character of making false charges to a Police Officer Walker v. Kiousis
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