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Old 11-17-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Edinburgh,Scotland
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Refugee crisis: Angela Merkel signals deportation of economic migrants from Germany as EC President Jean-Claude Juncker calls for migration summit | Europe | News | The Independent

Too late angela too late.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Detroit, MI
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So you are saying that Islam may not be a religion of peace?
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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So you are saying that Islam may not be a religion of peace?

I am not against accepting the Syrian refugees in the 1800's or early 1900's. I am against accepting the ones in the 2000's.
The religion is a Religion of Peace, but not all Muslims are Peaceful.

Islam is not an entity. It is the individual act of a person submitting to Allaah(swt)

Islam is all about personal responsibility, there are no "Religious Authorities" standing over you forcing you to "act Muslim" Contrary to what a few Mideastern Nations believe.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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LOL.

Actually this started from pro democracy protests which I believe were part the Arab Spring.

Syria: The story of the conflict - BBC News

Stop trying to blame everybody's idiocy on the US so you can get that free money. LOL
What the BBC leaves out is that these anti-government organizations and insurgent groups have been organized and financed by foreign governments from before the uprising. In 2014, in a plea for more funding for arming the rebels, the mainstream media in the US admitted that the CIA has been training these groups since 2012 (see the rebel brigades in the BBC article).

The history of the War on Syria

M of A - A Short History Of The War On Syria - 2006-2014
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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The religion is a Religion of Peace, but not all Muslims are Peaceful.

Islam is not an entity. It is the individual act of a person submitting to Allaah(swt)

Islam is all about personal responsibility, there are no "Religious Authorities" standing over you forcing you to "act Muslim" Contrary to what a few Mideastern Nations believe.
Man, with all due respect... All evidence to the contrary.

You keep repeating this, like mantra. But saying it over and over again doesn't make it so, nor does it make it true for others.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:35 AM
 
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Man, with all due respect... All evidence to the contrary.

You keep repeating this, like mantra. But saying it over and over again doesn't make it so, nor does it make it true for others.
Yes, please explain. Are you saying "Kill the infidel" is not part of the Koran, or that it has been taken out of context?

Like "if thine eye offends you, cut it out".
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Man, with all due respect... All evidence to the contrary.

You keep repeating this, like mantra. But saying it over and over again doesn't make it so, nor does it make it true for others.
In any given community -- even a community of traditional faith -- there will some "outliers" who do not embrace or embody the Tradition …

So, e.g., even among "Christians" there are SOME who do not love and pray for their enemies, but instead seek revenge … and some who presume to sit in judgment on others, despite the clear instruction from The Lord Jesus of Nazareth to His disciples that they must not do so …

So, yes … we KNOW that there are some (thank God, few) Muslims who do not embrace and embody the PEACE of Islam ...
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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In any given community -- even a community of traditional faith -- there will some "outliers" who do not embrace or embody the Tradition …

So, e.g., even among "Christians" there are SOME who do not love and pray for their enemies, but instead seek revenge … and some who presume to sit in judgment on others, despite the clear instruction from The Lord Jesus of Nazareth to His disciples that they must not do so …

So, yes … we KNOW that there are some (thank God, few) Muslims who do not embrace and embody the PEACE of Islam ...
You are not a Muslim correct? So how do we know what is an "outlier" and what is not?

This is straight from a Muslim:

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My religion has no formal or centralized teachings.
So peace is not a centralized tenet. It may be by some and it may not be by others...
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Man, with all due respect... All evidence to the contrary.

You keep repeating this, like mantra. But saying it over and over again doesn't make it so, nor does it make it true for others.
Less then 20% of the World's Muslims live in a nation that has forced religious laws. and a few in separatist regions such as the break-away Aceh region of Indonesia.

I believe you will find the vast majority of us are very independent and very much opposed to anyone who claims to be a religious leader.

While every Muslim can only speak for them self I have found a few that seem to agree with my views.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-h...leaders-called

https://www.quora.com/Who-is-the-leader-of-Islam

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23. Do all Muslim countries adhering to Sharia engage in stoning and amputations as punishment for crimes?

No. These penalties are not allowed in 52 countries that make up the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation, encompassing most countries with a Muslim-identified government. Indonesia, the most populous Muslim majority country, along with Egypt, Turkey, and Morocco all use Sharia as a primary source of law and none allow these punishments.

In countries where extreme interpretations of Sharia are applied, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia and 12 states in northern Nigeria, stoning and amputations for adultery and theft are rarely used or enforced.
Sharia | Teaching Tolerance
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Less then 20% of the World's Muslims live in a nation that has forced religious laws. and a few in separatist regions such as the break-away Aceh region of Indonesia.

I believe you will find the vast majority of us are very independent and very much opposed to anyone who claims to be a religious leader.

While every Muslim can only speak for them self I have found a few that seem to agree with my views.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-h...leaders-called

https://www.quora.com/Who-is-the-leader-of-Islam
If you have no centralized leaders or teachings how can you say Muslims are peaceful?
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