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There's no Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. It's a front group in the UK funded by the EU to disseminate news and opinion through the media. It's a one-man operation and the identity of the person is in question. Some have claimed he runs a grocery in London.
Is it OURS to fight for why they sit on their asses collecting welfare?
Cause I am not sure I want to be paying welfare to people who only want to be blowing up theaters full of people and attacking young couples on dates at cafe's.
The sure know who and how to fight when they get here...
Please point out where I said that was our job. Or that they should sit on their asses collecting welfare.
I don't think it's prudent to send a bunch of "able bodied young men" back into the region where their only choice will be to join a rebel coalition. Like ISIS. Hey, maybe they can start a new one! I mean after all, those groups stay in their own region, and are not like, angry at the world or anything, especially for throwing them back into that cesspool of violence when they tried to get out. That wouldn't cause any resentment.
I think if people are trying to escape and not join in we should do what we can. If that means putting whatever pressure we can on the wealthy ME nations then I think that's a good place to start.
But I believe that if I see a person in need of something in order to survive, I have a human obligation to do what I can to help them survive.
For some of these refugees it is a matter of survival to find refuge. Not finding refuge in the USA or elsewhere is essentially death for them.
For most of us Americans our ancestors came here because they were driven out of their homelands. We also had traitors and potential terrorists among our refugee ancestors. but fortunatly for us, compassion overcame fear.
I don't think that's radical at all. I think it's a bit more complex than that in modern times, unfortunately. On a human level I absolutely agree with you. And I hope that modern America can find a way to help. I do indeed think it's the American way, and always has been. I don't think abandoning the most basic principals of this country is the way forward. Trite, I know, but that just means the terrorists win and the Western World loses something of great value. There has to be a way to help which still keeps the security of the West at a priority.
Please point out where I said that was our job. Or that they should sit on their asses collecting welfare.
I don't think it's prudent to send a bunch of "able bodied young men" back into the region where their only choice will be to join a rebel coalition. Like ISIS. Hey, maybe they can start a new one! I mean after all, those groups stay in their own region, and are not like, angry at the world or anything, especially for throwing them back into that cesspool of violence when they tried to get out. That wouldn't cause any resentment.
Just to clarify:
I didn't suggest tossing them back into the quagmire with no resources, training, support, etc.
But I have a sneaky suspicion that many of these young men fleeing Syria already harbor significant resentment toward the West in general, and the US specifically. So they need to be vetted before being allowed to settle in here. I want to know more about the vetting process and specifically how we are able to vet them thoroughly and screen out potential terrorists. I haven't seen a good answer to that question. Until I do, I'm not going to be too happy about letting open the floodgates.
Interesting articles on the process - the plan, the challenges, and the reality:
“I think (Rhodes) basically lied to the American people,†Hoekstra told WND and Radio America. “He said we’ve got a good vetting process in place where we can vet those that are coming from Syria into the United States.â€
He continued, “No we do not. The records don’t exist in Syria, especially after you’ve had five years of civil war. We don’t have a relationship with the regime. It’s an ungoverned area. We don’t know who these people are. Ben, shame on you for even implying that we’ve got a good vetting system. We’re lucky if can get the names right.â€
The Long Island Republican said "there are no databases" to check the information being provided by the refugees against, so if someone who is seeking entry into the U.S. says he has no terrorist involvement, American officials can't determine if that's true or not.
"We have no way of knowing," King said. "Unless we know who they are, we cannot allow them in. My job is to protect Americans, not to feel good about myself."
just guessing: most of the Gulf states have a lot of money, but no life sustaining resources. everything including food and water has to be imported. It is far easier for the Golf nations to give monetary aid. I do not know if any do.
But I believe that if I see a person in need of something in order to survive, I have a human obligation to do what I can to help them survive.
I agree with you to a point but I also do not believe I have the right to obligate others money to fund my beliefs. American Tax money should be used to upgrading our schools, our infrastructure and to assist Americans in need.
I look at America, and several other countries, as life boats. The life boat is floating, it is working as intended. There are a set number or people on the life boat that will survive. Is there an obligation to keep taking people on until the life boat founders and everyone dies or is brought to the same level of misery?
These problems did not just happen. These people have contributed to their own problems for many years and even generations. I see no reason to believe that they have the will or desire to offer any other country anything productive.
Of course your religion may teach you of what is entitled to you and not to be thankful.
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For some of these refugees it is a matter of survival to find refuge. Not finding refuge in the USA or elsewhere is essentially death for them.
And their lives are so much more important than those murdered in Paris why?
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For most of us Americans our ancestors came here because they were driven out of their homelands. We also had traitors and potential terrorists among our refugee ancestors. but fortunatly for us, compassion overcame fear.
This is such nonsense. My ancestors did not get handed anything and worked for what they had. Show me something similar to the Paris attacks committed by my ancestors.
Okay. So the Syrians are just hunky dory then? They aren't being bombed?
You used an SOHR-sourced article to claim the Syrians were fleeing the government since the emphasis is on the government killing civilians. There are other news articles that indicate that the cause of the deaths is split roughly 50-50 between the Syrian government and the US-backed rebel forces. On the other hand, without the US coalition sponsorship of a de facto invasion of another sovereign, there would be no war and no war casualties.
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