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[EDS_]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

Compared to Canadian and European leftists, our Democrats are definitely moderate-right.

Sure. But that was not the initial claim.

Would you prefer Euro/Canadian style socialism?

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Originally Posted by HOAPRESIDENT

In comparison to world politics, the Democrats are moderate right. In European, South American, African and Asian countries, the Communist Party still exists in relatively strong numbers. I think it may be you who is out of touch internationally.

That's not remotely close to the point he made. And thanks for the left field cheap shot.

[mikeh19468]

Originally Posted by Mr Grieves

This is absolutely true, case and point, the Blue Dog Democrats are the group most responsible for watering down the healthcare bill, they were then referred to as the "Blue Cross" Dems. The system is set up where so much cash is needed to be elected and the corporations are supplying it, and many are taking it. The system makes it almost impossible to be on the left and elected unless you live in Vermont, or certain counties in Northern California.

I'd include some additional areas in the Midwest, mid-Atlantic , Northwest (nobody can accuse Oregon of being "moderate") and Northeast in that same category as well.

However, regardless of what the rank and file are now, the leadership posts in much of the House and Senate for the Democrats are filled by long time, hard core liberals, and thus the policies they advocate are not moderate right. The reason the Blue Dogs get so much attention is that they don't always tow the line and vote with their leadership. There are also the moderates (mavericks?) in the Republican party that don't always vote with their leadership either. The fact that they didn't defect over when the "watered down" Obamacare bill came up for vote speaks volumes about how little water was added to the bill (and yes, they could have left the Govt. option in their and made all the hard core liberals and socialists happy, but even Obama had enough common sense to know he was already overreaching and that would have gotten him clobbered at the 2010 elections, and assured his defeat in 2012).

[dgz]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Sure. But that was not the initial claim.

Would you prefer Euro/Canadian style socialism?

If you're referring to 'my claim'... Yes, I did say that when I said:

And that's pretty much all there is. This dichotomy that there is a right and a left in the US is a false one. If you read widely on politics within several European countries (UK, France, Germany, Spain), you see a much wider range of discussion on policies. You have extremes there, but there is a much broader middle. The discussion here falls moderate to right to far right.

Asking whether someone prefers Euro/Canadian socialism does not move the discussion. By saying that other countries have additional discussion to the left of center does not mean that everyone there is far to the right. There is a lot of range between the center and the left. But that range is not included in the political discussion in the US. It is as though as soon as someone steps ever so slightly left of center, the response is that they are suddenly dropping into the abyss of communism. And I think that is a radical response. I don't see that kind of reaction in the European political discussions.

[dgz]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Sure. But that was not the initial claim.

Would you prefer Euro/Canadian style socialism?

Originally Posted by mikeh19468

I'd include some additional areas in the Midwest, mid-Atlantic , Northwest (nobody can accuse Oregon of being "moderate") and Northeast in that same category as well.

However, regardless of what the rank and file are now, the leadership posts in much of the House and Senate for the Democrats are filled by long time, hard core liberals, and thus the policies they advocate are not moderate right. The reason the Blue Dogs get so much attention is that they don't always tow the line and vote with their leadership. There are also the moderates (mavericks?) in the Republican party that don't always vote with their leadership either. The fact that they didn't defect over when the "watered down" Obamacare bill came up for vote speaks volumes about how little water was added to the bill (and yes, they could have left the Govt. option in their and made all the hard core liberals and socialists happy, but even Obama had enough common sense to know he was already overreaching and that would have gotten him clobbered at the 2010 elections, and assured his defeat in 2012).

I don't see any hard-core liberal policies coming from these people. If they are hard-core liberals, they must be really ineffective.

[HOAPRESIDENT]

Originally Posted by mikeh19468

I'd include some additional areas in the Midwest, mid-Atlantic , Northwest (nobody can accuse Oregon of being "moderate") and Northeast in that same category as well.

However, regardless of what the rank and file are now, the leadership posts in much of the House and Senate for the Democrats are filled by long time, hard core liberals, and thus the policies they advocate are not moderate right. The reason the Blue Dogs get so much attention is that they don't always tow the line and vote with their leadership. There are also the moderates (mavericks?) in the Republican party that don't always vote with their leadership either. The fact that they didn't defect over when the "watered down" Obamacare bill came up for vote speaks volumes about how little water was added to the bill (and yes, they could have left the Govt. option in their and made all the hard core liberals and socialists happy, but even Obama had enough common sense to know he was already overreaching and that would have gotten him clobbered at the 2010 elections, and assured his defeat in 2012).

"Obamacare" is so left wing liberal that it was instituted by Republican Mitt Romney in Massachusetts first.

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Originally Posted by HOAPRESIDENT

"Obamacare" is so left wing liberal that it was instituted by Republican Mitt Romney in Massachusetts first.

And boy that's be huge money saver hasn't it?

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Originally Posted by dgz

If you're referring to 'my claim'... Yes, I did say that when I said:

And that's pretty much all there is. This dichotomy that there is a right and a left in the US is a false one. If you read widely on politics within several European countries (UK, France, Germany, Spain), you see a much wider range of discussion on policies. You have extremes there, but there is a much broader middle. The discussion here falls moderate to right to far right.

Asking whether someone prefers Euro/Canadian socialism does not move the discussion. By saying that other countries have additional discussion to the left of center does not mean that everyone there is far to the right. There is a lot of range between the center and the left. But that range is not included in the political discussion in the US. It is as though as soon as someone steps ever so slightly left of center, the response is that they are suddenly dropping into the abyss of communism. And I think that is a radical response. I don't see that kind of reaction in the European political discussions.

I'm busy so I'll pull the quotes later. You made the claim that there are very few liberals in congress. And that the democrats in general are center right. If you want to play games and say center right v. Spain sure. If you claim they are center right v. the party throughout recent American history you're just being silly.

[HOAPRESIDENT]

Originally Posted by EDS_

And boy that's be huge money saver hasn't it?

Both parties are spending us into oblivion. Neither side is fiscally responsible, so I don't see that as a liberal vs. conservative issue.

Democrats want to spend money, while raising taxes to cover a portion of it. Republicans want to spend money, while cutting taxes and opponents' programs to cover it.

[mikeh19468]

Originally Posted by EDS_

And boy that's be huge money saver hasn't it?

+1

Save money by spending more of it and reimbursing Dr's less? That's a recipe for success. In the Bizarro universe of Obama/Pelosi/Reid (all of whom are right-moderate Democrats, correct?)