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Old 09-05-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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I would need to know what exactly does the Dept of Ed do exactly before I could intelligently respond.
To be honest, I don't fully know what the Dept. of Education does and how effective they are. Jerry Brown did something similar when he assumed governorship of California last January by eliminating the education office for the state.

Gov. Jerry Brown to eliminate education post - SFGate

As much as I dislike Bachmann, I have to admit that she probably makes sense on this one.
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:59 PM
 
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I've been skimming through the posts in this thread and I'm not sure how we arrived from cutting the Dept. of Education to evolution theory...

To cut the Dept. of Education doesn't necessarily mean our public education will suffer. It probably means giving control back to the local schools for improved effectiveness. Shrugs.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:01 PM
 
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There is just as much evidence of creationism as there is for us having been created by luck.
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Don't just sputter, show your evidence.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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I've been skimming through the posts in this thread and I'm not sure how we arrived from cutting the Dept. of Education to evolution theory...

To cut the Dept. of Education doesn't necessarily mean our public education will suffer. It probably means giving control back to the local schools for improved effectiveness. Shrugs.
Sort of like the school district in Bachmann's district that has a policy that no school employee can reach out to a child being bullied for being gay or being perceived as gay? No counselor, no teacher, no janitor, no administrator.

NINE children have commit suicide in that one school district that is located in Bachmann's distric for being bullied over being gay or perceived as gay.

The ***** can burn in hell.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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I have no complaint. I guess my question is many people are educated at one level (ie high school) in one state and another level (ie college) in a different state. How do you (or do you even?) ensure that all students at one level are on the same playing field when it comes to education on another level?
The market establishes such as I said. It is as simple as that. Each state will want to compete and no state will want its requirements to be behind that of another. The Feds can "promote" standards of compliance which states can "choose" to adhere to, but that is as far as the Feds involvement should be.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:24 PM
 
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Bachmann: Why is there a Department of Education? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

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Any opinions on cutting the Dept. of Education?
The GOP seem to loath education and science.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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Wow you are very hostile.

I'm not a scientist but here is a source I found that details evolution as a scientific theory. You can go ahead and debunk that if you like:

The Status of Evolution as a Scientific Theory: Newman, Robert C.
Hostile? How so?

You provided an appeal to authority to which is not a part of the scientific method as evidence to your claim, I corrected you... If that is hostile, then.. ok... I am hostile. /boggle

And where in your link according to the scientific method do they establish their position as valid?

No, I am not going to challenge your "links", you must take a part in this discussion. If you are not capable, then don't make claims you can not properly support.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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It's vaguely ironic to me that opponents of the Department of Education usually have not taken the time to educate themselves on its various functions. A lot of the assessments and data compiling they do are extremely useful for teachers and policymakers, and it is crucial for an organization to oversee things like federal student aid.

They also fund programs and research for special education, English language acquisition, adult education, and many other aspects of education. Eliminate the department, and these programs either cease to exist or the states are forced to pick up the tab.


The Department of Education's big "name" programs, No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top, have been failures, in my opinion, and these are the real initiatives that influence a school's autonomy. They need to step back their role in determining educational standards. However, if you want to convince me that the department should be eliminated outright, you need to come with a stronger argument than I've seen thus far.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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The GOP seem to loath education and science.
Nope, just stupid liberals who act like they know what such is. /shrug
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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It's vaguely ironic to me that opponents of the Department of Education usually have not taken the time to educate themselves on its various functions. A lot of the assessments and data compiling they do are extremely useful for teachers and policymakers, and it is crucial for an organization to oversee things like federal student aid.

They also fund programs and research for special education, English language acquisition, adult education, and many other aspects of education. Eliminate the department, and these programs either cease to exist or the states are forced to pick up the tab.


The Department of Education's big "name" programs, No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top, have been failures, in my opinion, and these are the real initiatives that influence a school's autonomy. They need to step back their role in determining educational standards. However, if you want to convince me that the department should be eliminated outright, you need to come with a stronger argument than I've seen thus far.
I don't have problems with the assessment aspect (well some, as it is highly political), but the mandate portion of the system. Remove that portion and we have no problems.
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