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Old 09-05-2011, 09:29 PM
 
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I don't have problems with the assessment aspect (well some, as it is highly political), but the mandate portion of the system. Remove that portion and we have no problems.
Can you elaborate on that, please?
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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Can you elaborate on that please.
Well, them evaluating aspects of learning, what they suggest to be important, evaluating performance, etc... is fine. That is passive and has no dictation on anything.

It is the mandate portion to which they define what must be taught, how it must be taught, etc... that is the infringement on the states.

Though, this could all be handled by the states anyway. /shrug
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:33 PM
 
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Hostile? How so?

You provided an appeal to authority to which is not a part of the scientific method as evidence to your claim, I corrected you... If that is hostile, then.. ok... I am hostile. /boggle

And where in your link according to the scientific method do they establish their position as valid?

No, I am not going to challenge your "links", you must take a part in this discussion. If you are not capable, then don't make claims you can not properly support.

What claims did I make? I stated from my understanding the scientific community as a whole supported the idea that evolutionary biology conforms to the scientific method.

I already stated that I'm not a scientist by profession and won't pretend to understand evolutionary biology or scientific method at anything but a rudimentary level. Maybe you have the qualifications to speak on the subject?

With that said, just b/c jbird82 can't explain evolution and it's conformity to the scientific method doesn't mean evolution isn't supported by the scientific method.

Your argument is one giant fallacy.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:40 PM
 
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The market establishes such as I said. It is as simple as that. Each state will want to compete and no state will want its requirements to be behind that of another. The Feds can "promote" standards of compliance which states can "choose" to adhere to, but that is as far as the Feds involvement should be.

Fair enough, I can buy this opinion.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Metairie, La.
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That's why George Wallace, democrat, literally stood in a schoolhouse door to deny entry to blacks. And the Ed dept was created under Carter -long after desegregation was a fact of life.

Failed attempt at propaganda here, nothing to see.

Remember folks: It has to be racism. If it wasn't, they'd have to debate us on the merits.
Are you purporting that segregation in education does not exist even today?
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Metairie, La.
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What is the positive outcome of having a bloated bureaucracy like the Dept of Education?

How has it helped educate America's children?

Since you brought up race, how has the Dept of Education helped the black community?
It hasn't. As I stated in another post, the Dept of Edu is a cartel that reinforces the educational establishment.

At the same time, however, state level depts of edu haven't done anything to help anyone either.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:10 PM
 
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Michele bachmann becomes more irrelevant with each passing day.

She isn't going to 'lock the doors and turn out the lights on EPA, and she isn't going to shut down the Dept. of Education. She will be lucky to keep her dignity when she returns to MN with her gay husband.

Her campaign strategist has already bailed. She is sinking ship and nuttier than pecan tree. She's a freak.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:14 PM
 
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Dept of Education ... other's argue they are all about social indoctrination,
Yes, and the societal goal: Godless and amoral.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:22 PM
 
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Bachmann: Why is there a Department of Education? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

....... (deep silence) ............

Any opinions on cutting the Dept. of Education?
I am all for cutting the damn department. It has done nothing except make things worse and has the education of all children in this country.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:27 PM
 
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Bachmann: Why is there a Department of Education? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

....... (deep silence) ............

Any opinions on cutting the Dept. of Education?
Bachmann shouldn't try to cut in line - it's impolite

GOP's wanted to cut the DOE since Reagan, but it just
keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger....

Oh Michelle - it's already been said...
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