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Old 09-08-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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How can they trust Trump? Easy - make Hillary their only other option. Hillary supporters are "Literally. The. Dumbest." for making HER their candidate for POTUS. Jeez, if you fear Trump so much, why nominate the one candidate which gives him his best chance of winning?
Lol, your response is just sad. You can't even address what was said. Like I said......

 
Old 09-08-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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Please stay on topic .
 
Old 09-08-2016, 10:06 AM
 
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The only polls which matter right now are state polls, and Clinton is leading all swing states right now except Iowa. Unless you also consider Georgia a swing state.
Not so fast...

Hot off the press:

Suffolk

North Carolina

Trump 44%
Clinton 41%

This was enough to pull the RCP average for NC into a TIE.

Nate Silver has Trump at a 52.4% chance of winning NC and that's without the Suffolk poll factored in.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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But the initial claim was that Trump supporters are "Literally. The. Dumbest" - if that's so, what does Hillary's struggle tell us? Hillary supporters are just as dumb as the dumbest? What kind of statement is that?

In a year where a lot of people wanted an anti-politician - Hillary is probably the best establishment competition those folks could've hoped for. The "outsider" may not have much of a chance against a candidate with less baggage.
Maybe, maybe not, but as I said, the flip side is just a true. IF Clinton was a bad choice, clearly Trump IS an even worse choice - and that seems to be reflected in the polls. Clinton has led Trump pretty solidly for nearly the entire campaign cycle - and in spite of Trumps recent gains he's STILL behind (especially in regards to the electoral college). Despite all of Clintons weaknesses, it's STILL not looking good for Trump. Chances are he's going to be crushed.

Ken
 
Old 09-08-2016, 10:34 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Not so fast...

Hot off the press:

Suffolk

North Carolina

Trump 44%
Clinton 41%

This was enough to pull the RCP average for NC into a TIE.

Nate Silver has Trump at a 52.4% chance of winning NC and that's without the Suffolk poll factored in.
Trump might very well take NC. It won't make a bit of difference in the overall outcome. He's going to have to take a ton of states that are pretty heavily behind Clinton to have any chance of winning.

Ken
 
Old 09-08-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Originally Posted by eddiehaskell View Post
Not so fast...

Hot off the press:

Suffolk

North Carolina

Trump 44%
Clinton 41%

This was enough to pull the RCP average for NC into a TIE.

Nate Silver has Trump at a 52.4% chance of winning NC and that's without the Suffolk poll factored in.

Silver has three models, why do you only mention the model best for Trump and not the other two models?? If you are going to discuss Silver's models at least mention all three.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Clinton back up by 4 in Rasmussen. These polls jump around/shift in a short period of time way too much. The Ipsos moved like 10 points in two days a while back. Things just don't change that fast.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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Silver has three models, why do you only mention the model best for Trump and not the other two models?? If you are going to discuss Silver's models at least mention all three.
I usually do if you check my posts in this thread. Regardless, all 3 are usually pretty close. It's not like there's one saying 54% and another saying 35%. Average out all 3 and Trump is at about 50% for winning NC. I assume the plus-plus forecast is an attempt at more accuracy since it factors in more stuff like polls, historical data and the economy.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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Clinton back up by 4 in Rasmussen. These polls jump around/shift in a short period of time way too much. The Ipsos moved like 10 points in two days a while back. Things just don't change that fast.
Trump is down in that poll but he's up in the CVoter poll which is now tied.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: az
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Clinton back up by 4 in Rasmussen.

Rasmussen has a C + rating which isn't particularly good compared to other more accurate polls.

HC is now treading downward so unless Trump makes a major gaff the two should be tied by the time of the debate or Trump slightly ahead.
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