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Yet you just post extreme right wing propaganda sources and articles that immediately start off with assumptions and lies.
It's too hard to take it seriously. It's just noise people like you generate to ignore the harsh realities of their candidates that also have bad behavior and credentials, as is the case here with Walker and Trump.
So Hillary Clinton did not concoct a Trump Russia collusion scheme? Clinton didn’t hire a British national and ex-spy, Christopher Steele, to compile dirt on her election opponent, Donald Trump?
She didn’t hide her campaign payments to him through at least three paywalls - the Democratic National Committee, the Perkins Coie law firm, and the opposition research firm Fusion GPS?
The FBI didn’t obtain a FISA warrant through this Russian asset provided fabricated dossier by Christopher Steele to surveil Trump and his campaign?
former CIA director John Brennan didn’t informed then-President Barack Obama about Clinton’s plot to manufacture a political narrative to attempt to tie Trump to Russia to detract from her email scandal?
The FBI didn’t have an office inside Michael Sussmann’s firm that they operated out of? You know, Michael Sussman who provided the FBI this fake dossier that was used to obtain a FISA warrant.
Hillary Clinton didn’t illegally have classified documents on her personal servers that she later destroyed after such documents were subpoenaed by Congress?
None of this happened?
Because your democrat party propaganda media outlets do not report on these truths doesn’t mean this didn’t happen.
I noticed most of your posting history is California and the political forums, despite your 'hidden' profile trying to hide your stats.
Yes, we moved to Augusta last year. Get ready for your gas to explode in prices again. Saudi Arabia is cutting production and we are producing 3 million barrels of oil a day less than we would have under Trump. Also, the strategic oil reserve is at its lowest level since 1984.
I think your grasp of the American political spectrum in light of our Constitution has eluded you. Keep this simple basis in mind; to the left of the political spectrum is more government and to the right of the political spectrum is less government. The further to the left on the political spectrum you are positioning, the more tyrannical and oppressive government is and the further to the right on the political spectrum, more anarchist a nation is.
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The left mean progress which mean it always some push for reform or change. The Right means to conservative which means to status quo or appeal to some tradition. This means different things culturally and economically as times change. The terms left and right itself came from the french relovuation those who loyal to tradition of having a monarchy set of the left and those who wanted to change from the monarchy to a republic was the left.
In US example of left and right, Abolitionist was the left, those who supported slavery was the right wing. hence Abolitions wanted changed while the those who wanted to hold slavery wanted to conserve what they thought as a tradition.
Now in the US the left does not means big government this only often happen because conserves often try to us local laws or completely ignore things that needs to be done to avoid some form of change. This results in left using the government to force the change more often. Again back to slavery and the civil war. Conservative argue "state rights" to hold slavery. While The Union had to force the government with "reconstruction" on the South to make sure slaves were freed which they didn't like.
Another thing is the left view Government and Cooperate class both can be corrupt. So Government which people control by voting in and out is view as check and balance with regulating. Otherwise this why labor laws, this why there's food and pharmaceutical regulation. This is why fire and police departments aren't private.
To add to this urbans areas are more progressive while rural areas are more conservative. In rural area you don't need that much regulation. But cities with more industry and infrastructure do. This affects stuff like transpiration funding and etc.
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So where does the conservative fall on this? What is the political philosophy of the conservative? Where does the liberal fall on this spectrum? What is the political philosophy of the liberal? What about the progressive? What of the far right? So in this spectrum, what is the political philosophy of the centrist? Those in the center are then the Constitutionalists. They support a representative government with a limited role that is outlined in our Constitution. Such person believe our rights are given to us by God or through nature. We are born with inalienable rights. Such persons believe in a free market capitalist economic system. Such person believes each person is unique and believes in individualism. Such person believes powers not outlined in the Constitution of the federal government is delegated to the states. Such persons believe in balanced budgets, secured borders, and a strong military. Such persons believe in a civil society and the rule of law and a blind justice system. These are the qualities of the centrist on the American political spectrum in light of the Constitution. Where does the progressive fall on this spectrum?
Are these the virtues Biden supports? We haven’t even got into genital mutilation of children, same sex marriage, abortion, CRT, economic justice, environmental justice, racial equity, and gender equity, and using the DOJ and IRS to target political opponents. These are the political ideologies of the progressive and Joe Biden. The progressive, left, liberal is moving further and further to the extreme. The conservative has not moved one bit. Our virtues are the same yesterday as they will be tomorrow. This is called being principled. The virtues of progressivism is centralism, conformity, collectivism, redistribution, administrative state, and ideological social engineering. These are the tenets of progressivism. When you read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution you will read about individualism, private property, prosperity, separation of powers, eternal universal truths, the rights of man, eternal moral order, and a civil society. These are the principles and virtues of conservatism.
The Constitution doesn't states political philosophy, The Constitution just state the laws of the land. Political parties states political philosophy.
Society generally moves to left slowly naturally hence "progress". Again Abolitionist was the left, those who supported slavery was the right wing. Today conservatives are much further to left than they was 150 years ago obliviously. With New technologies, a more educated populations, a closer connected and diverse populations changes over time to what centrist is. So what is centrist in 2022 is more the left than what is was in 1922. So every generation the left and right reposition itself the center is always something in between a comprised in middle.
Bidden and even Obama era is flat out not meeting the left goals because they are trying to comprising "which is weird because there not getting conservative vote regardless" people like Sanders, Elizabeth warren etc are progressive. Biden, Obama, the Clintons are literally the center left but you want understand that if you just watch Fox News because they would paint them as far left while there not. Example The left wants universal heath care, Obamacare was only halfway of that. but if watch Fox News you think it was just as left of idea as such.
Now as far as right moving further to right, Trump is much further to right Reagan when come to Immigration.
Reagan was basically seen figure head for modern Republicans. Some how Today GOP much futher to right of Reagan. Trump makes Reagan look like radical leftist on immigration which is nuts.
You’re a 2000, 2004, and 2016 election denier and a 2020 summer riot sympathizer. See how easy that was? If the FBI didn’t influence the 2020 election by telling Facebook to bury the Hunter Biden and Joe Biden corruption story, you think Joe Biden would have won? Only 21,500 votes determined the winner of the 2020 election.
No Biden won by popular vote over 7 million. if You meant Georgia in 2020, well Trump won states like Michigan by 11,000 nearly half that in 2016 but was you protesting it? Many it's not as crazy as you think unless you have a double standard on that?
Umm no I never denied the results of 2000, 2004, and 2016. Some Trump supporters are out right denying he lost in terms of votes. They undermining the voting progresses. Even in 2016 that not what Democrats did Democrats accused Trump of having outside help stuff like funding raising, strategizing stuff etc.. Democrats never said 2016 the actual voted was wrong once it been recounted and states should make it official. That exactly what Trump supports are saying. And some riot attack the capitol over it.
Also while I support civil rights I don't support destructions of property. I believe those burn stuff down should go to Jail it doesn't support cause for civil right rights. There are Trump supporters who believe riots should get off and are calling them heroes. That's quite a difference.
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"Facebook" this makes my point............. At one point in time People watch Fox they watch CNN they looked at credible news sources from all sides to get full picture. Now it has become echo chamber looking at stuff from side one, conservatives watch Fox they not going to watch CNN they in belief just to left as MSNBC then they read any random conspiracy from Facebook and they believe that over major news networks.
Yes, we moved to Augusta last year. Get ready for your gas to explode in prices again. Saudi Arabia is cutting production and we are producing 3 million barrels of oil a day less than we would have under Trump. Also, the strategic oil reserve is at its lowest level since 1984.
You do understand US gas and oil companies already have significant land lease that they can drill but don't right? Part of this is the actually companies want exploit the situation and want the prices to be high.
Furthermore since you bring this up this goes along with my other post, this a good example.
The left criticizing Biden for being centrism. The right wing completely ignore this then paint him as if he's just to the left as Bennie.
Then you come argue with a progressive about how Biden is just so so far to the left. If you read anything painting Biden as far left then your not just reading something to the right but extremely far right wing.
New 11Alive News poll reportedly shows Warnock leading Walker by 12 points, 50-38
A new 11Alive News poll reportedly shows Herschel Walker trailing incumbent Raphael Warnock by 12 points in a survey taken just before news broke on Monday night of the accusation that Walker allegedly paid for a girlfriend’s abortion in 2009.
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ATLANTA — Herschel Walker's embattled campaign is far behind Sen. Raphael Warnock with a little more than a month until the November midterms, a new 11Alive poll indicates.
The poll finds Warnock with a substantial lead over Walker, 50% to 38%, among 1,076 likely November voters.
SurveyUSA conducted the poll exclusively for 11Alive from Sept. 30 through Oct. 4, with 95% of it completed before The Daily Beast reported Monday night that Walker paid for a girlfriend's abortion in 2009. The Republican has publicly stated his opposition to abortion in all instances, and has denied the report and said he would sue, calling it a “flat-out lie."
The left mean progress which mean it always some push for reform or change. The Right means to conservative which means to status quo or appeal to some tradition. This means different things culturally and economically as times change. The terms left and right itself came from the french relovuation those who loyal to tradition of having a monarchy set of the left and those who wanted to change from the monarchy to a republic was the left.
In US example of left and right, Abolitionist was the left, those who supported slavery was the right wing. hence Abolitions wanted changed while the those who wanted to hold slavery wanted to conserve what they thought as a tradition.
Now in the US the left does not means big government this only often happen because conserves often try to us local laws or completely ignore things that needs to be done to avoid some form of change. This results in left using the government to force the change more often. Again back to slavery and the civil war. Conservative argue "state rights" to hold slavery. While The Union had to force the government with "reconstruction" on the South to make sure slaves were freed which they didn't like.
Another thing is the left view Government and Cooperate class both can be corrupt. So Government which people control by voting in and out is view as check and balance with regulating. Otherwise this why labor laws, this why there's food and pharmaceutical regulation. This is why fire and police departments aren't private.
To add to this urbans areas are more progressive while rural areas are more conservative. In rural area you don't need that much regulation. But cities with more industry and infrastructure do. This affects stuff like transpiration funding and etc.
The Constitution doesn't states political philosophy, The Constitution just state the laws of the land. Political parties states political philosophy.
Society generally moves to left slowly naturally hence "progress". Again Abolitionist was the left, those who supported slavery was the right wing. Today conservatives are much further to left than they was 150 years ago obliviously. With New technologies, a more educated populations, a closer connected and diverse populations changes over time to what centrist is. So what is centrist in 2022 is more the left than what is was in 1922. So every generation the left and right reposition itself the center is always something in between a comprised in middle.
Bidden and even Obama era is flat out not meeting the left goals because they are trying to comprising "which is weird because there not getting conservative vote regardless" people like Sanders, Elizabeth warren etc are progressive. Biden, Obama, the Clintons are literally the center left but you want understand that if you just watch Fox News because they would paint them as far left while there not. Example The left wants universal heath care, Obamacare was only halfway of that. but if watch Fox News you think it was just as left of idea as such.
Now as far as right moving further to right, Trump is much further to right Reagan when come to Immigration.
Reagan was basically seen figure head for modern Republicans. Some how Today GOP much futher to right of Reagan. Trump makes Reagan look like radical leftist on immigration which is nuts.
No Biden won by popular vote over 7 million. if You meant Georgia in 2020, well Trump won states like Michigan by 11,000 nearly half that in 2016 but was you protesting it? Many it's not as crazy as you think unless you have a double standard on that?
Umm no I never denied the results of 2000, 2004, and 2016. Some Trump supporters are out right denying he lost in terms of votes. They undermining the voting progresses. Even in 2016 that not what Democrats did Democrats accused Trump of having outside help stuff like funding raising, strategizing stuff etc.. Democrats never said 2016 the actual voted was wrong once it been recounted and states should make it official. That exactly what Trump supports are saying. And some riot attack the capitol over it.
Also while I support civil rights I don't support destructions of property. I believe those burn stuff down should go to Jail it doesn't support cause for civil right rights. There are Trump supporters who believe riots should get off and are calling them heroes. That's quite a difference.
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"Facebook" this makes my point............. At one point in time People watch Fox they watch CNN they looked at credible news sources from all sides to get full picture. Now it has become echo chamber looking at stuff from side one, conservatives watch Fox they not going to watch CNN they in belief just to left as MSNBC then they read any random conspiracy from Facebook and they believe that over major news networks.
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The American left does not mean progress. The American left means regress. The reform and change the left desire is old, tried, and tired ways of Marxist ideology. I understand the left uses such nomenclatures such as “progressive,” “democratic socialists,” “community activists,” “BLM,” “Antifa,” and “The Squad.” These are all groups with Marxist ideology. Those who claim "the dominant culture" and capitalist system are unjust and inequitable, racist and sexist, colonialist and imperialist, materialistic and destructive of the environment. This is Marxism. Those who claim to promote "economic justice," "environmental justice," "racial equity," "gender equity," etc. They have invented new theories, like Critical Race Theory, and phrases and terminologies, linked to or fit into a Marxist construct. This is the American left and these ideas are regressive, not progressive.
The left want to fundamentally transform America into something unrecognizable where the conservative desires to preserve our Constitutional republic. Just as the far left, the far right do not have a Constitutional vision for our nation. To label the conservative as right wing is just absurd and not based in fact.
Sorry, but it was the democrat party that supported slavery, segregation, and Jim Crow. Constitutionalists were the abolitionists. You cannot read the Constitution and interpret any part that promotes slavery and segregation. Conservatives do not point to states rights to preserve slavery. That’s laughable. Seriously? The Constitution itself does not allow slavery in light of “all men are created equal.” The constitution is antithetical to slavery.
If you do not observe that the left promote massive bureaucratic style government, you’re deluding yourself. The left promotes more government intervention, more red tape, more regulations, more taxes, more government programs, etc. More and more the left is moving further to extremism.
I shouldn’t have used the word “political”. I should have just stated “philosophy” the philosophy, principles, and virtues of the conservative are moved by such eternal truths that is outlined within our Constitution. The ideology of the leftist is antithetical to the eternal truths within the Constitution.
Again, you continue to confuse leftism with progress. Our Founders were the actual progressives. Their world views and virtues in fact are revolutionary and because of such virtues is how slavery ended. It wasn’t a leftist “modern progressive” movement that ended slavery.
Universal healthcare isn’t a progressive idea. In fact, it is regressive. Such a system is rationed due to healthcare being a limited resource. When a third party is involved in any transaction of services and goods, the costs naturally skyrocket. The simplicity is, when spending another persons money, you ignore the costs. This is why college education is skyrocketing.
Again, securing our borders isn’t a right wing ideology. Secured borders is the constitutional function of our government. I can’t even wrap my head around how secured borders is a controversial topic. You cannot have amnesty and not secure the border. That is where Reagan failed. Our border today is becoming a humanitarian crisis. It’s a complete disaster under the Biden regime.
Yes, Biden won the popular vote by 7 million (which is astonishing), but we have an electoral college system of voting for the president. Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona Biden won by 43,000 votes. If 21,500 of those votes swung toward Trump, Trump would be president today. The point is, if the FBI didn’t bury the Joe Biden and Hunter Biden corruption scandal and press Big Tech to bury this story, those votes could have easily swung to Trump. The FBI influenced the 2020 election.
You may of not denied the 2000, 2004, and 2016 election, but the left certainly have.
I don’t condone any violence as a conservative and I don’t know any conservatives who condone those who stormed the Capitol building. All those should be prosecuted and are being prosecuted. I also stand for the equal application of the law which we are not seeing happening to those who burned down buildings, rioted, and looted during the summer of 2020
You do understand US gas and oil companies already have significant land lease that they can drill but don't right? Part of this is the actually companies want exploit the situation and want the prices to be high.
Furthermore since you bring this up this goes along with my other post, this a good example.
The left criticizing Biden for being centrism. The right wing completely ignore this then paint him as if he's just to the left as Bennie.
Then you come argue with a progressive about how Biden is just so so far to the left. If you read anything painting Biden as far left then your not just reading something to the right but extremely far right wing.
Oil companies are not going to drill on land where there is no oil. Also, Biden has been canceling leases and you need permits to exercise those leases. Yeah, I suppose these oil companies were more charitable under the Trump administration than the Biden administration. They weren’t so greedy under Trump, but now want to idle down oil production under Biden to raise the cost of oil. That’s quite the conspiracy.
There is no difference between Biden and Sanders ideologically. They are one in the same. Because he campaigned as a moderate, Joe Biden wants to be the next FDR and LBJ.
That's whats wrong with the rabid array of opinions that just hit this thread. There is no productive conversation to have anymore, because they are all speaking in negatives without any merits or proper analysis of facts and they are often relying on conspiracy theories passed around on social media networks and on extreme right networks, like OAN.
That is true sadly, not just on here but everywhere, especially on Facebook and Twitter. Instead of respectfully disagreeing and discussing in a civil manner, people have been resorting to name-calling and insults like school children. And it's also retweet or resharing. I'm like does anyone have their own opinion anymore?
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Also be careful. Tyrannical and oppressive governments often rise up out of the extreme right and Anarchy rarely takes full hold. Typically, a populist leader takes power and abuses power to hold onto it and becomes dictator. It isn't usually anarchy that is ultra-right wing, but a populist dictator that rules with fear and control.
That's also true. Putin is a perfect example. In fact, I've known people back around 2015-16 who were pro-Trump that said that Putin is exactly the type of president we need for the US. They were hoping to get that with Trump. They dream of an America where 100% of people think like them, or they will be thrown in prison to be beaten and tortured until they are "rehabilitated" and "reeducated" to think like them.
That's also true. Putin is a perfect example. In fact, I've known people back around 2015-16 who were pro-Trump that said that Putin is exactly the type of president we need for the US. They were hoping to get that with Trump. They dream of an America where 100% of people think like them, or they will be thrown in prison to be beaten and tortured until they are "rehabilitated" and "reeducated" to think like them.
I am a conservative who supported and still supports Trump and I don’t know any person with the same political views and philosophy as mine who wanted Trump to be a murdering tyrannical Stalinist like tyrant as Putin and I don’t know a single conservative who dreams of an America that conforms to one set of ideas and/or philosophy. There is a vast history of what works and what doesn’t and I along with every conservative I know believe the Constitution encompasses these virtues. Is our system perfect? No, and there should be some changes that can take place and that there is a constitutional process for that.
Imprisoning people with opposing views and to re-educate them as they do in NK is a conservative ideal? I think you’re projecting. We do know the BiDeng DOJ is targeting political opponents through the FBI. We know the BiDeng administration is weaponizing the FBI to raid the homes of political opponents. The Criminalizing of having pro-life views by arresting a Christian father, and arresting and searching those who question elections. We know under the Obama administration the FISA court was used to spy on political opponents. We know the Obama administration used the IRS to target conservative groups. You’re projecting a bit aren’t you. We also know leftists love censoring opposing ideas and the Democrat Party government uses Big Tech as the go between to accomplish this malfeasance.
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The fact that someone can admit that they are dumb but still have followers, says a lot about his followers. They literally put this man into a position that he was not qualified for. His name carried him this far and that alone is beyond dumb. This man did not show up to any debates, yet they still voted for him. Why should I or anyone else not call out these people for being dumb? Do you not see the position that they are in now? He is literally polling at 38% in Georgia (my home state by the way). He told you who he was at the beginning and you still voted him in as the Republican nominee. Out of all qualified Republican candidates, you people chose Herschel and are now trying to defend your choice because you can clearly see the train wreck coming your way. That decision was definitely not smart.
Now, let’s move on to those that are trying to straddle the fence about name calling. Many “conservatives” and even some “evangelicals” have been hitting below the belt since Trump came along. They feel embolden because Trump came in as a bully and now they feel like they can say and do whatever they want since they have a role model who gets away with everything. I am tired of people allowing these loud and obnoxious people get away with everything. It is time to hit back. If they raise their voice, raise your voice louder. These are the same people who stormed the Capitol, for crying out loud and you all are worried about name calling. Give me a break. Having a conversation with these type of people is nonexistent. They refuse to be rational. They refuse to tell the truth or listen to the truth. It has been damn near two years since Trump fairly lost the election and they are still out here having rallies and claiming that he will still be the president. Now what would you call that? Be honest and ask yourself, are these people really sane - https://youtu.be/3rZsIuEd-i0
Now I am not talking about all Republicans, I am just talking about the crazies. There are some good Republicans and Republicans who understand that Trump lost and that the country needs to move on, but they are in the minority now.
Fun fact, I had planned on voting for Casey Cagle when he ran for Governor. He seemed level headed, but the extremists in the Republican party went gun crazy over Kemp’s tv commercials. I lost all respect for that party then.
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New 11Alive News poll reportedly shows Warnock leading Walker by 12 points, 50-38
