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Why doesnt obama just get this over with and show him the documents and shut down the case?
It would be easy for him to do so, unless he does in fact have something to hide.
I for one think that it is a load of bunk, but he could shut the whole thing down really fast by going to court and show the documents.
Show who the documents? He's already shown his documents to everyone who needed to see them, namely the State Department when he applied for a passport. The state of Hawaii has already said it issued him a valid birth certificate. Why should he respond to every nutcase out there who refuses to believe what's been proven?
And, if he did call a press conference and show his "vault copy," whatever that may be, the nutjobs still wouldn't be satisfied. They'd just say it was a fake and start all over again. The people who can make this go away are the ding-a-lings who refuse to believe the evidence right in front of them.
Andrew Jackson: His mother and father were born in Ireland
James Buchanan: His father was born in Ireland, County Donegal
Chester Arthur: His father was born in Ireland, County Antrim
Thomas Jefferson: His mother was born in London, England
Woodrow Wilson: His mother was born in Carlisle, England
Herbert Hoover: His mother born in Ontario Canada
from The Ancestry of the Presidents (http://www.presidentsparents.com/american_presidents_ancestry.html - broken link)
Back in those days it wasn't possible for a president to have parents born here, because the country was just starting. Only the American Indians then were natural born. Show a recent president, not one from ages ago.
Back in those days it wasn't possible for a president to have parents born here, because the country was just starting. Only the American Indians then were natural born. Show a recent president, not one from ages ago.
What would you say if you learned that no one (at the time these past presidents were elected and served) ever questioned whether these men were eligible? If they had, like millions are questioning Obama's eligibility, these men would not have been eligible. But, their eligibility status was never questioned...
In the case of Chester Arthur, Arthur had a cloud over him regarding his "Natural Born Citizen" status. Some believed he was born in Canada! However, it could never be proven because he had no birth records. (Back then birth records were often scant ...and not official as we know them to be today.)
Natural-born citizen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The special term "Natural Born Citizen" is used in particular as a requirement for eligibility to serve as President or Vice President of the United States. Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:
“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”
Additionally, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides an additional source of constitutional doctrine stating that birth "in the United States" and subjection to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth, entitles one to citizenship:
“ All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the Jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. . . ”
However, the full text of the fourteenth amendment does not mention the phrase "natural born citizen," nor does it address Presidential qualifications. The phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution, as is true with most Constitutional terms.
Section 8 of Article I confers on Congress the power "to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization..." This power has been construed to include defining the characteristics of a "natural born citizen", as well as the conditions of "naturalization".
Still waiting for your response to Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson, and Hoover, and how they are any different from Obama.
Listen closely now and try to comprehend what I'm getting ready to tell you - the other presidents parents were naturalized citizens, Obama's wasn't. Do you now finally understand what the difference is?
Furthermore, "if" any of our past presidents were (by chance) elected in violation of the Constitution it would not constitute any kind of legal precedent to violate it again, essentially nullifying part of the Constitution by virtue of a criminal act. Do you understand this?
Last edited by Kootr; 12-04-2008 at 12:10 PM..
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