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Old 02-22-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv
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Yesterday after signing of agreement in Kiev was begining the terror against individual leaders of the ruling party. President ran to Kharkiv. He evacuated the parliament speaker who was beaten by rebels.
Parliament adopt a laws now and all of these are unconstitutional way. Yanukovich hopes for international guarantees and seeking his supporters.
Everybody loves a winner.
Now Timoshenko was released and Rada announced that Yanukovich was dismissed.

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Old 02-22-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Now I understand why the Sixth Fleet in the Black Sea "at the Olympics." This intelligence and coordination of the coup.(с)

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Old 02-22-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Yesterday after signing of agreement in Kiev was begining the terror against individual leaders of the ruling party. President ran to Kharkiv. He evacuated the parliament speaker who was beaten by rebels.
Parliament adopt a laws now and all of these are unconstitutional way. Yanukovich hopes for international guarantees and seeking his supporters.
Everybody loves a winner.
Now Timoshenko was released and Rada announced that Yanukovich was dismissed.
What happens there in Kharkov?

Kharkiv Maidan stream on USTREAM:
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Finland
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What happens there in Kharkov?

Kharkiv Maidan stream on USTREAM:
Support for Kiev.

Slava Ukraini!
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Slava Ukraini!
Lard to the heroes! Oh. Glory to the heroes!
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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And, by the way, many people in Russia will not be happy with the adding of Ukraine into Russia. They do not understand why they should subsidize Ukraine, as now subsidizing Caucasian republics. Maybe they will be happy only the inclusion of Crimea, which is always been the Russian territory (since then, as the Russian Empire conquered it).
Wonderful. Then there should be no problem to give Ukrainians what they are asking for.

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Support for Kiev.
Slava Ukraini!

A zavziattia pratsia shchyra svoho shche dokazhe.
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Wonderful. Then there should be no problem to give Ukrainians what they are asking for.
I do not know that they are now being asked of Russia. You know?
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Support for Kiev.

Slava Ukraini!
There now will kill people, but you are happy that Kiev has support. Yanukovych has gone from power, but you can not be stopped...
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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And, by the way, many people in Russia will not be happy with the adding of Ukraine into Russia. They do not understand why they should subsidize Ukraine, as now subsidizing Caucasian republics. Maybe they will be happy only the inclusion of Crimea, which is always been the Russian territory (since then, as the Russian Empire conquered it).
If anything, I blame Russia's government for its contemtious attitude towards Ukraine for the last twenty years, the way it looked down at Ukraine's poverty and snobbish attitude of many Russians, their lack of desire to help Ukraine in this situation, or even associate themselves with this country. ( Yes, it was all about "we don't want them, why should we subsidize them, it's our money.")
But then again I've already said many times that Putin's government is ALL about money, that's why when he finally included Ukraine in his *financial plans,* his talk about "help for brotherly people* in terms of $ 15 billions sounded as fake as it gets.
Here is Oleg Zarev, a deputy from Dnepropetrovsk I believe, guest on Russian popular TV program;


Царев о Ð*оссии - YouTube

..."We think that in this situation the international intervention is necessary and the ideal mediators would be Russia and Germany. (I assume he is talking about his Eastern Ukraine region.)
We constantly see here Americans, we see Europeans, but we don't see Russians. This is happening right in front of your nose, right across your border, so why don't you come as mediators to diffuse situation on Maidan?"

( The abrupt facilitator's response was "We've sent Lukin.")

So yes, many Eastern Ukrainians understand that their economy, their livelihood depend on neighboring Russia ( they've voted for Yanukovich for this reason at the first place,) yet strictly mercantile attitude of Putin's government and of many Russians towards Ukrainians is downright shameful.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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Since your "blah-blah" is telling me that you are most likely yet another ex Eastern European ( not the Westerner that you pretend to be,) and there will be not much but gloating and pointing finger at Russia, I don't see a point of arguing with you, but I can bring to your attention that it was only a matter of money to purchase Ukraine. It was a matter of money when the Orange revolution was organized by the US and basically puppet regime has been installed there ( why the West didn't want to purchase Ukraine at that point in time is a good question since Russia had no interest back then,) and it was a question of money yet again during recent EU-Ukrainian negotiations. And before you'll start telling me again that that's just "my opinion only" - here it is for your attention, a good journalism instead of your obsession with Russia.

How the EU Lost to Russia in Negotiations Over Ukraine Trade Deal - SPIEGEL ONLINE

P.S. Another thing - with all your proclamation of "free Ukraine," I have to point out that poor are not free under the modern idea of democracy, and Ukraine is definitely poor. So the only question is - which master Ukraine is going to serve; the West or Russia.
Dude, I never pretended to be anybody. I just posted on this forum, like everybody else. Looks like you made a conclusion about who I am for yourself, buddy. As you're doing right now in your latest post yet again. So, don't blame it on me.

Today, the free people of Ukraine showed Russia and their puppet a big Fu*k You!

I'm very glad for them.

As for "my opinion only" thing, it doesn't matter what sources of information you use, it's still an opinion, "good journalism" or not and you know it. You just choose, consciously or not what source of information to trust and what better fits your own beliefs and ideological (or otherwise) leanings.

As for your modern idea of democracy, like I said before, blah blah blah. According to this model, only a chosen few in ANY country are (relatively) free and the concept of freedom for the majority of population in the world, whereever they live, does not exist.

Oh, and regarding my pointing finger at Russia, this is what YOU said in another post in this thread:

Erasure said:

"If anything, I blame Russia's government for its contemtious attitude towards Ukraine for the last twenty years, the way it looked down at Ukraine's poverty and snobbish attitude of many Russians, their lack of desire to help Ukraine in this situation, or even associate themselves with this country."

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