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Old 02-21-2014, 01:43 AM
 
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Yanukovich is not a dictator, he is an elected official, reminds me of all the Americans that call Obama a dictator.
Like a child's opinion.
Nazi Party in Germany was elected official in 1933, so Hitler was not a dictator ?
Putin in Russia was elected, Lukashenko in Belarus was elected official. I mentioned these two names twice at least from yesterday's discussion, how do you think they both are not dictators also ?
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:08 AM
 
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Like a child's opinion.
Nazi Party in Germany was elected official in 1933, so Hitler was not a dictator ?
Putin in Russia was elected, Lukashenko in Belarus was elected official. I mentioned these two names twice at least from yesterday's discussion, how do you think they both are not dictators also ?
Let's watch here for a moment - this is the Ukrainian parliament;


Драка в Украинском парламенте - YouTube

See, they can't come to consensus even on such simple question as language; do you think dictator-style leaders show up out of nowhere? Take in consideration the variety of Ukrainian regions in terms of background/culture, take in consideration the economic dependency of Ukraine ( and therefore constant threat of meddling in her internal affairs,) - yet you imagine that this country can be governed by "democracy Western style" out of nowhere?
Now that's what I'd call "like child's opinion."
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:21 AM
 
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Don't worry, yesterday they already come to consensus and forbad police and army to use weapon against protesters.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:25 AM
 
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Don't worry, yesterday they already come to consensus and forbad police and army to use weapon against protesters.
I don't worry, I am very happy about it, that the killing will stop, but think again - they came to this consensus only after international involvement big time.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:34 AM
 
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I don't worry, I am very happy about it, that the killing will stop, but think again - they came to this consensus only after international involvement big time.
They mostly ignore international involvement at all. Deputies from Yanukovich's party waited the president to resolve the situation. But he led the country to the war so they don't listen his commands more.
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Like a child's opinion.
Nazi Party in Germany was elected official in 1933, so Hitler was not a dictator ?
Putin in Russia was elected, Lukashenko in Belarus was elected official. I mentioned these two names twice at least from yesterday's discussion, how do you think they both are not dictators also ?
Why are you so afraid of Putin? What did he do to you? He really enjoys the support of most of the electorate, especially now, when the example of Ukraine see everything. Gays and other nonsense he thwarts, than further enhances the reputation of the people. And most importantly, he does not prevent people to live, does not climb into their privacy.

You are always talking about it, how about some villain. But 15 years ago, he prevented the collapse of Russia's, economy picked up, improved quality of life.

Let's better he steals than in Russia will be as now in Ukraine. Remember 1917.
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Old 02-21-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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EU to impose sanctions as Ukraine death count soars Israel News | Haaretz

77 killed, a European country seeming like Egypt with the arab spring. Never thought I would see the day.
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Old 02-21-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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Yes, you are missing an important part, that in many ways it's the US fault ( the direct US involvement) in Russia's internal affairs twenty years ago, the consequences of it that led to today's Russian politics and corruption. Russians are voting for Putin for a reason that you might not be familiar with, but it doesn't mean it's not there. So now pointing at Russia as the source of all evils, and trying to protect "the good Ukrainians from "big bad Russia" is yet another attempt to isolate Russia and to finish her off, the way I see it. Something that didn't quite work out back in the nineties, and I don't believe it will.
I don't give a damn about Russia.

I wish Russian people all the best and the leader they want and deserve who will make Russia even a better place to live, if this is what they want. I also strongly believe that Russia will continue to play an important role in the world affairs.

As for the Ukraine, which is the focus of this thread, I wish it to become a part of the European community one day. In spite of strong ties with Russia in the past, I think, it should keep distance from Russia and remain an independent country.

In the light of newest developments in the Ukraine, I think, Yanukovitch should bow to the wish of the majority of the Ukrainian people (yes, I believe, it is the wish of the majority of Ukrainians) and sign the Free Trade Agreement with the EU, which he supposed to do in the first place.

After that, he and Putin can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned.

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Old 02-21-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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I don't worry, I am very happy about it, that the killing will stop, but think again - they came to this consensus only after international involvement big time.
It's not "they" who came to this consensus.

It's Yanukovitch who was forced to allow it to happen under the pressure of the international community.
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Old 02-21-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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Why are you so afraid of Putin? What did he do to you? He really enjoys the support of most of the electorate, especially now, when the example of Ukraine see everything. Gays and other nonsense he thwarts, than further enhances the reputation of the people. And most importantly, he does not prevent people to live, does not climb into their privacy.
Contradicting yourself a little?

The fact that Putin enjoys the support of the majority of population tell you something about today's Russia.

Putin IS a monster. With a voice of a "lamb" and "innocent" eyes. Pathetic!

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