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Why are you so afraid of Putin? What did he do to you? He really enjoys the support of most of the electorate, especially now, when the example of Ukraine see everything. Gays and other nonsense he thwarts, than further enhances the reputation of the people. And most importantly, he does not prevent people to live, does not climb into their privacy.
You are always talking about it, how about some villain. But 15 years ago, he prevented the collapse of Russia's, economy picked up, improved quality of life.
I'm watching on Russia, Belarus, etc to know how the alternative of Europe looks like. In my opinion it is looks ugly.
Some people say that for some nations a dictator or tzar is needed. As we can see Russians are among these nations. But Ukrainians are not. That is why I'm angry about Yanukovich's decision to make close union with Russia.
I'm watching on Russia, Belarus, etc to know how the alternative of Europe looks like. In my opinion it is looks ugly.
Some people say that for some nations a dictator or tzar is needed. As we can see Russians are among these nations. But Ukrainians are not. That is why I'm angry about Yanukovich's decision to make close union with Russia.
Yes, ugly and scary.
But I'm sure, lots of people in those countries like things as they are and are very happy. I'm sure, they have their reasons for that.
It seems to me that Yanukovich had this agenda long before he "decided" not to sign the agreement with the EU.
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He may be not ideal. But a "dictator" and "monster"? If you care about freedom of speech, I can assume you that journalists were killed in the the nineteenths. And not only them.
He may be not ideal. But a "dictator" and "monster"? If you care about freedom of speech, I can assume you that journalists were killed in the the nineteenths. And not only them.
Muscovite, I'm sorry but what are you trying to say?
It seems to me that Yanukovich had this agenda long before he "decided" not to sign the agreement with the EU.
Absolutely right! I was surprised when he began to talk about agreement with EU and I thought - is he stupid ? Europeans will press him for "human rights", "democracy", "fair election", why he need this ? It is much better for him to choise union with "dictator's club" Russia's customs union.
Then why do you keep on bringing Russia into discussion?
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I wish Russian people all the best and the leader they want and deserve who will make Russia even a better place to live, if this is what they want. I also strongly believe that Russia will continue to play an important role in the world affairs.
Truth to be told, Russians can't get the leader that they deserve, because there is too much threat of foreign involvement in the country, plus Russia is not without a danger of certain inner circles siding with foreign interests ( that the nineties clearly showed.) And the only reason of these foreign involvements ( as long as someone like Stalin isn't there,) is precisely that - that the West would love to see Russia not playing that "important role" in the world affairs any longer. Unfortunately for Russians, they can't sort their internal affairs and become democratic country ( or whatever they want to be,) because of that external pressure and oh - those natural resources that are so coveted by the West. That's why they choose the lesser of two evils and accept a dictator, as long as he keeps the country together. So Russians are not in the same situation as the Westerners, that are completely free to manage their own affairs. ( That is if we don't count the skirmishes between Europe and the US here and there.)
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As for the Ukraine, which is the focus of this thread, I wish it to become a part of the European community one day.
As I've said before - Europe is a club. If Ukraine is admitted to the club ( which will happen obviously only for a reason of pocking a stick into Russia's eye,) that doesn't mean that Ukrainians are going to be treated as equal. ( Just look at Poles or Balts as example.) The situation is sort of like in the US, where people of color are admitted, but not accepted as equal. When someone like NATO's Van Rompuy is announcing that "Ukraine belongs with Europe," it makes me chuckle. Yeah, Ukraine belongs to Europe, with all its seven millions of Russians; what, Europeans don't have enough of Russians among them by now? Rotflmao, particularly if anyone can explain to me how Russians living in Eastern Ukraine differ from Ukrainians exactly.
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In spite of strong ties with Russia in the past, I think, it should keep distance from Russia and remain an independent country.
It has been independent country for the last twenty years - was it not? Putin definitely didn't want it ( that would cost him too much money,) so what seems to be the problem?
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In the light of newest developments in the Ukraine, I think, Yanukovitch should bow to the wish of the majority of the Ukrainian people (yes, I believe, it is the wish of the majority of Ukrainians) and sign the Free Trade Agreement with the EU, which he supposed to do in the first place.
Why was he "supposed to do it" in the first place?
He was clearly shopping for a better deal economy wise; had EU offered him something better to begin with, why would he sign the deal with Russia? Did you pay attention at pitiful state of Ukrainian economy? Because that's what it's all primarily about. Psst, I'll tell you a secret - particularly if you are an American - "freedom and democracy" have direct connection with money and history of private property in the country - the laws, the protection of it on the lower echelon of the country - that kind of thing.
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After that, he and Putin can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned.
Well, if the world is spinning around according to your understanding and concerns, then to hell they both go, but if not, then sorry...
It's Yanukovitch who was forced to allow it to happen under the pressure of the international community.
No, it's "they."
Because not only Yanukovitch has been forced to accept the conditions, but the brave revolutionaries were forced to hold their horses with their immediate demands, whatever they were. ( Particularly if you take in consideration that there were nationalists among them.)
I've pointed at the previous fistfights in Ukrainian Parliament for a reason.
That's what's happening there when there is no international community around to step in.
Maybe you're right. Russia is too big and diverse country.
Not only that. Throughout history she has been under the constant threat of foreign interventions; a feature that she shares with third world countries by the way, particularly if they are rich in natural resources.
So Russia in this respect is a unique case.
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Rotflmao, particularly if anyone can explain to me how Russians living in Eastern Ukraine differ from Ukrainians exactly. 
