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The EU has urged both the opposition and government to stop the violence, and try to take it to the negotiating table. But on the same time the EU has protested against the new undemocratic laws.
They didn't condemn the murder of the policeman. They condemn only government.
I think people in France, Italy and Germany must have more information about Bandera and nationalism. EuroNews show his portrait, but didn't explain whose portrait it is. They show a guy, reading a newspaper named after him, but didn't translated and explained. Ok, history is a complex thing. Let Ukrainians, who admire Bandera to speak. They have this right. But why they hide this? Explain, who was Bandera, what people in Poland think about him, what people in Israel think about Ukraine, what people in different regions of Ukraine think about their history.
So many are obtuse to the fact that the country has elections, it is not protesting a dictatorship, and that if people do not like what the gov is doing, they are free to vote them out during the next elections. But no, the protesters rather circumvent democracy and impose undemocratic methods to get what they want. Plus, seems no one there understands anything about the economic situation, they just scream "EU", not at all wanting to address the issues involved.
Had it happened in USA (or Europe), protests like these would be dispersed brutally and swiftly, democratic police states make sure that any threat to the current order is suppressed early using disproportionate force and repression. That's why everybody is so compliant here, the wage of non-compliance is joblessness, low social class and destitution.
Democracy is a fiction, it has no power to resolve any moderately painful issue society faces.
Democrats or Republicans, it's little more than a circus to calm people down, both party' policies are very consistent in everything that really matters. American politicians represent very narrow class segment of the American population (and they serve even narrower interests that launched them in power), it doesn't matter whom you vote for, any political force (non existent for time being) that has a tiny chance to challenge status quo is marginalized and eliminated long before election date. That's why it's extremely important for the ruling oligarchies to appeal to elections and voting "the bums" out (to be replaced with different set of the identical bums).
For Americans, oligarchical political, power & economic arrangements are natural and the only possible if not sacred. Unfortunately for Ukraine, it has issues that managed democracy cannot resolve. Issue #1, former common property of the Soviet State is not split between clans to anybody' satisfaction. While all strata of Ukrainians accept the idea that oligarchy, private property and market economy are the way to get "prosperity" going, the burning issue of who'll be a master and who'll be a slave is not settled yet. Most believe it's because wrong people got to the wealth trough first, grabbed disproportionate share of the former common wealth, and rigged the rules of the game without regard to the less successful ones. Technically, whatever happens in Ukraine is not a revolution. Both "revolutionaries" and "dictators" are OK with current social order, it's just that "revolutionaries" want to fill it with "better"people who will not use their position of power to grab more wealth for themselves. It's naive, at best. Accumulation of capital and splitting pristine North American continent between private parties was not made by saints thinking of "common good".
Yanukovich, being a low level thug launched into presidency, have been preoccupied with enriching himself, his family and his clan utilizing state repressive machinery and old-fashioned mob (both entities are increasingly hard to distinguish). Unfortunately, for him, he did that without regard to anybody' else "fair" share of the loot. People of means got increasingly worried.
Several official buildings have been captured during the night, including the Centre for Ukrainian culture and the Ministry of Justice. The demonstrators are building even higher barricades and using fire hydrants to deliberately freeze streets to make them more difficult to traverse.
I don't think this can be stopped very peacefully anymore.
Well all we see before us is a crash that was destined to happen. Really Mr. Yanukovych must see the reality now. Events are getting away from him. I thought it was interesting that he offered a look at 'constitutional' amendments in this face-off. Alas, not enough. He apparently is not 'maeuvering well in the dnagerous canyons of Ukrianian politics. It appears he has lost all trust. And because of that there is only one course for him and that is to resign. Better for him and better for Ukraine. Governing with truncheons and fists is a horse that won't run. Time to go. All credibility in the government is lost. My fear is he will make a call to Vlad. Vlad knows all the ways in putting in the big crunch when things may not go his way miles away.
I don't think this can be stopped very peacefully anymore.
The opposition don't control the most activity of gangs. And just say, we don't know who are they, the opposition can't do it. So I think tomorrow it will be meeting all political powers at Rada, they must be make a decision. In the other way only war and truly liquidation of Ukraine as the country in the today's form.
"Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov and his government Tuesday, amid a political crisis fired by violent protests on the country's streets. Azarov and his Cabinet will continue in their roles until a new government is formed, a notice on the presidential website said."
Good.
Now let the opposition reps join the government and start crunching numbers.
Probably then everyone will figure out what Ukrainian economy is all about.
Good.
Now let the opposition reps join the government and start crunching numbers.
Probably then everyone will figure out what Ukrainian economy is all about.
It will be very interesting to see then how negotiations go. I hope civil war is not in both their imaginations/calculations. As for the economy, I'd say it is of course a legitimate topic but other fish are being fried as well in this standoff. The handling of the economy all stems from how Ukrainian political aspirations go. They carry a very heavy basket of things to wade and decide through.
It will be very interesting to see then how negotiations go. I hope civil war is not in both their imaginations/calculations. As for the economy, I'd say it is of course a legitimate topic but other fish are being fried as well in this standoff. The handling of the economy all stems from how Ukrainian political aspirations go. They carry a very heavy basket of things to wade and decide through.
If it were that easy. There are important factors involved, such as country's historic economic background, absence of utterly attractive options for today's investors ( read natural resources,) Ukraine' s infrastructure and so on. So there are more objective factors that need to be looked at and adressed realistically speaking, other than "political aspirations."
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