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[viribusunitis]

Originally Posted by amaroW

bank holidays in France:
11
Ban holidays in Germany:
9
Between 9 and 13 depending on the federal state.

Free days in France:
25
Free days in Germany:
20
§ 3 BUrlG: 24 days; in practice: 29 days (see "Tarifverträge" or collective bargaining agreements)

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Not interested in correcting all the other numbers...

Originally Posted by amaroW

PS: the German economy is absolutely not sustainable. In some years, Germany will face up big economic problems

lol

[amaroW]

Originally Posted by Glucorious

Bad economic times?

https://www.google.com/#q=Germany+un...+rate&safe=off

I suppose that explains their 5.2% unemployment rate.

Of course, the 11% unemployment rate for France is much better. Looks just nicer. Everybody loves double digits.
And when I check the average income, Germany is still ahead of France.

Now you just have to wait and see what they do about it. Until then, France is is very bad shape.

here again, do not trust European and international propaganda
It is only the GROSS average income which is higher in Germany than in France.
The NET (after taxes) is higher in France. The net average income per year and per hour is higher in France!
Connexion-Emploi | Salaire du brut au net en France et en Allemagne : les différences (if you understand French...)

Unemployment rate means nothing if you don't understand it!

In France the unemployment is high because the economy is Efficient!
-The productivity increases each year (as opposed to the UK and Germany) so companies don"t need to hire. It is bad for the short term unemployment rate but good for the MT and LongTerm.
The fast decrease in unemployment in UK is due to a fast decrease of their productivity.
-The fertility rate is the highest in EUROPE thus too many people arrive in the job market (as opposed to other european countries). it is bad for the short term but good for the long term.
-there is NO zero hour contract, bad jobs, short term contracts, job for slaves in France like in the UK or in Germany
20% of Germans work only 10/18 hours a week and are paid 400 euros (in France it is impossible to have that sort of crappy job, and the minimum is 1100 euros NET)
- unemployed people in France have a lot of advantages (as opposed to in the UK or in Germany) and they prefer being unemployed than getting a bad job like in the UK or in Germany
-all unemployed people are registered as unemployed because they benefit from some advantages that is why you can easily have more people registered as unemployed than in other countries

[amaroW]

Originally Posted by Glucorious

Your numbers are wrong. Next time include your sources, please.

So tell me real numbers?
It is real stats.
I also have many friends who work in Germany and they work even when they are not at work lol.


I personnally have 13.2 weeks of vacations each year MINIMUM.

[amaroW]

Originally Posted by viribusunitis

Not interested in correcting all the other numbers...



lol

In Practice??? LOL

In Practice in France it is 37...
Because jobs in the public sector for instance give you a lot more free days.

[amaroW]

Originally Posted by KuuKulgur

So working hard isn't sustainable but making coffee breaks and other stuff which may last up to 30 mins or even more is? No wonder the economy of France stands there where it is today - knee-deep in ****.

It is not but it s apparently not a problem in France regarding growth, debt, consumer spendings etc

2013 growth

Germany 0.4%
France 0.3% (due to consumer spendings and exports)

When you know how hard people work in Germany, you laugh.

[viribusunitis]

Originally Posted by amaroW

In Practice??? LOL

As I said: In practice. The law (§ 3 BUrlG) gives you 24 days. Everything else is up to the specific "Tarifvertrag". The average vacation granted by a Tarifvertrag is 29,1 days... Not talking about jobs in the public sector btw.

Not trying to talk down France by any means. It's just obvious that you are pretty clueless about what you are talking.

[amaroW]

Originally Posted by viribusunitis

As I said: In practice. The law (§ 3 BUrlG) gives you 24 days. Everything else is up to the specific "Tarifvertrag". The average vacation granted by a Tarifvertrag is 29,1 days... Not talking about jobs in the public sector btw.

Not trying to talk down France by any means. It's just obvious that you are pretty clueless about what you are talking.

Yes i know but it still very low compared to 25+ 30 extra day off and so on.
Why do you think They give you 4,1 days more?
Because you can hardly have extra day off (when you already work 39hours a week)....
It would be more correct not to give 4,1 but 32 (30 extra days off and 2 more bank holidays) regarding how many hours you work each week compared to France.

[amaroW]

Do not Forget it when you go to Germany. Many of my friends have been duped.
If you want to have the same NET income between France and Germany, you need to have 20% more on your Gross German income.
A 2200€ gross income in Germany = 2000€ gross in France to have the same NET income!

[JedlaRoche]

Originally Posted by amaroW

Do not Forget it when you go to Germany. Many of my friends have been duped.
If you want to have the same NET income between France and Germany, you need to have 20% more on your Gross German income.
A 2200€ gross income in Germany = 2000€ gross in France to have the same NET income!

But do German pay as much taxes in the end of the year ? In France it's often between 50% to 100% of a month salary. But many jobs give you a 13th month to offset.

[amaroW]

Originally Posted by JedlaRoche

But do German pay as much taxes in the end of the year ? In France it's often between 50% to 100% of a month salary. But many jobs give you a 13th month to offset.

Yes it Could be 1 month of taxes so the 13th month they give you...
And 1 month(100%)/12 = only 8,3%