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After their fiasco in recent street protests, Navalny people sent request to Biden to impose economic sanctions on "close to Putin officials and oligarchs."
Are they idiots?
Yes they are.
If anyone in Russia was having doubts regarding their ties to the US/foreign interventions, they handed all the proofs, officially so.
So yet again - more cards in Putin's hands, and for a good reason.
What idiots.
Asking Biden to sanction oligarchs close to Putin proves ties to US interventions? That doesn't make sense to me. The Russian government makes a big mistake if it believes that this situation is about the USA. It's about them. It's about the frustration that the Russian people have with corruption, with autocracy, inequality and declining real wages.
Hard for anyone to defend how the thieves deserve their 100 billion ruble palaces while the covid treating doctors are rewarded with 17,000 rubles for all their work.
Beating people for standing on the street (and not doing anything at all but standing there) is not going to foster goodwill between ordinary people and their leaders. No matter how subservient they are in Belarus and Russia.
Asking Biden to sanction oligarchs close to Putin proves ties to US interventions? That doesn't make sense to me. The Russian government makes a big mistake if it believes that this situation is about the USA. It's about them. It's about the frustration that the Russian people have with corruption, with autocracy, inequality and declining real wages.
Hard for anyone to defend how the thieves deserve their 100 billion ruble palaces while the covid treating doctors are rewarded with 17,000 rubles for all their work.
Beating people for standing on the street (and not doing anything at all but standing there) is not going to foster goodwill between ordinary people and their leaders. No matter how subservient they are in Belarus and Russia.
True it doesn’t really prove anything and Navalny could be sincere and honest (and possibly naïve) about this request, but to those people who were sitting on the fence and feeling uneasy about this issue could be easily swayed to Putin’s side with this information. Russian’s can be quite xenophobic about outside influences particularly from the US for good reason (as is the case with the US as the Russia gate issue has shown)
Asking Biden to sanction oligarchs close to Putin proves ties to US interventions? That doesn't make sense to me. The Russian government makes a big mistake if it believes that this situation is about the USA. It's about them. It's about the frustration that the Russian people have with corruption, with autocracy, inequality and declining real wages.
It's not about the "Russian government," you strange person.
It's about how Russians are perceiving Navalny and Co at this point.
If you didn't succeed with your goals, you will run straight to our enemies for help.
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Hard for anyone to defend how the thieves deserve their 100 billion ruble palaces while the covid treating doctors are rewarded with 17,000 rubles for all their work.
Beating people for standing on the street (and not doing anything at all but standing there) is not going to foster goodwill between ordinary people and their leaders. No matter how subservient they are in Belarus and Russia.
Not really, while watching the neighboring Ukraine and what's going on there.
It's called "pick your poison."
True it doesn’t really prove anything and Navalny could be sincere and honest (and possibly naïve) about this request, but to those people who were sitting on the fence and feeling uneasy about this issue could be easily swayed to Putin’s side with this information. Russian’s can be quite xenophobic about outside influences particularly from the US for good reason (as is the case with the US as the Russia gate issue has shown)
This Navalny is daring to expose the high level corruption we knew has been going on there for decades. No doubt all stops are being pulled to discredit him and his message (and messengers). We all remember what Magnitsky, Nemtsov etc got for doing the same. He may be brave but he is also quite naive, so I agree on that.
The Russian fence sitting analogy probably isn't quite right. Russians, for the most part, are apathetic about high level corruption and the fear of disturbing the order overrides any concern for their financial problems caused by the widespread thievery. Its a bit complex for your average Russian to even understand how economics works or why mafia style controls and kickbacks cost all of them money. Plus they are fed nonstop lies about how it is patriotic to accept this.
If you have any doubts, see how they handled the Ukrainian situation when corrupt authorities were removed from power by fed up people. It ended up a virtual a declaration of war.
This Navalny is daring to expose the high level corruption we knew has been going on there for decades. No doubt all stops are being pulled to discredit him and his message (and messengers). We all remember what Magnitsky, Nemtsov etc got for doing the same. He may be brave but he is also quite naive, so I agree on that.
So DKM what is going to change in Russia with Navalny?
Will corruption magically disappear?
Will all Russians own mansions and drive Lamborghinis?
Will he create a paradise?
Please just tell us what he has planned for Russia.
This Navalny is daring to expose the high level corruption we knew has been going on there for decades. No doubt all stops are being pulled to discredit him and his message (and messengers). We all remember what Magnitsky, Nemtsov etc got for doing the same. He may be brave but he is also quite naive, so I agree on that.
The Russian fence sitting analogy probably isn't quite right. Russians, for the most part, are apathetic about high level corruption and the fear of disturbing the order overrides any concern for their financial problems caused by the widespread thievery. Its a bit complex for your average Russian to even understand how economics works or why mafia style controls and kickbacks cost all of them money. Plus they are fed nonstop lies about how it is patriotic to accept this.
If you have any doubts, see how they handled the Ukrainian situation when corrupt authorities were removed from power by fed up people. It ended up a virtual a declaration of war.
Boy, you love to make up convenient little stories, don't you?
There was no "declaration of war" - virtual or any other.
What Russian government didn't like of course, is when "corrupt authorities" in Ukraine friendly to Russia, were removed and replaced with corrupt authorities friendly to US.
So they backed Donbass that was under attack of the new pro-American government, which was only natural.
So DKM what is going to change in Russia with Navalny?
Nothing because like in Belarus, the people can't and won't do anything to stop it.
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Will corruption magically disappear?
Of course not, where we agree on Ukraine is that corruption did not disappear. It just got lowered.
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Will all Russians own mansions and drive Lamborghinis?
Will he create a paradise?
Please just tell us what he has planned for Russia.
Be specific.
No, they won't but perhaps their incomes could approach $600 a month again, and someday get closer to $1,000. It is a problem if salary less costs of living doesn't grow over time on average.
He has few plans that would work as Russia is not capable of transition. There are at least 100k people there all thriving off the current situation. It was very obvious to me when I was there how well these guys have it. Why would they give up their own mansions and lamborghinis just so the average person they don't care about gets an extra $200 a month?
France just came out against Nordstream 2 for the treatment of Navalny. That isn't a small deal. Now we see Putin's politics are more important than the well being of Russia. He would rather harm their national interest than give an inch to anyone becoming a political opponent.
Well, well, we all perfectly explained that such street riots are called "internal terrorism" , it is not necessary to deviate from the truth here. What are these protests? It's said. This is domestic terrorism, the most democratically elected US president has said! and you must not stand on ceremony with the terrorists. And even more so to discuss their lies. Or do I see double standards ? Or did the US President lie? ))))
Aha, just the whole of France, right in full force, opposed the Nord Stream 2. So it is ! In general, Europe likes to buy gas not for 100 euros but for 400 and 700 euros, Because the alternative reliable LNG gas intended for Europe went to Asia, where they gave the best price. What a misfortune. But Gazprom, which has to go bankrupt for many years and cease to exist (DCM will not allow you to lie), does not mind selling gas for 700 euros . Why not?
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