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Old 02-08-2017, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Givie is gone.
The dog shall die a dog's death
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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how well geared towards foreign tourists is russia ? , would locals be happy to help you out if you asked for directions , are interesting sites well flagged once you venture outside the capital ?

i would very much like to visit moscow and perhaps further afield , i find russia and its history a fascinating place
Russia has a long way to go, to be prepared for foreign tourists in the way you describe. For a bit of perspective, it's important to understand that during the Soviet period, tourists were handled by the tourism agency, "Intourist". To get a visa, your itinerary had to be approved in advance and all aspects of travel had to be pre-paid. An Intourist guide met you when you arrived in the country (whether by train or plane) in a car, or a chauffeured car would arrive and the driver would fetch you, and you were in the hands of the agency from then on. Only first-class hotels were allowed. In that way, tourists were handled with kid gloves, though they were free to roam around on their own during their stay in a single location. When proceeding to another town, again: the car, a guide, you were placed on transit, someone met you on the other side and took you to your hotel.

Things are much more open now, and the options for lodging are much broader, too, for better or for worse (I've read the reviews for some of the hostels for young people, and they're not always positive). But there's no signage in foreign languages, or even in Latin letters. Would locals be happy to help you? Yes, if you speak Russian. Some may give you the cold shoulder, but there are friendly helpful people around.

As our new Russian member said, there's a lot to see outside of Moscow. There's the main monastery, to the north, which is a big tourist attraction for tourists from within Russia. There are excellent museums in Moscow. There are many historic towns and sites all over Western Russia. That would be the topic of a separate thread. Perhaps when you think you may be ready to take the plunge, start a thread, and you'll get plenty of help, here.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Givie is gone.
The dog shall die a dog's death
One terrorist less! GG!
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Givie is gone.
The dog shall die a dog's death
May he rot in hell.

I would LIKE to believe this was a Ukrainian operation, but I really don't think it was. Indeed, it would be more satisfying knowing that's how this animal was put down. But in reality, it seems most likely that it's an internal power struggle among Russian terrorists. That's what the preponderance of evidence suggests. Apparently, he did not follow the Kremlin's orders to their satisfaction. So this is what happens. This has happened to quite a few other terrorists as well.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Russia
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When the Ukrainians can not win in a fair fight, they use terrorist attacks. Sad. And it is not worthy of respect.

+ Givi was a local, he was defending his home. Who will take his place? It's possible somebody more violent.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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Confirmed. M Tolstoy aka Givi is dead. Killed by an IED in his office.
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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Confirmed. M Tolstoy aka Givi is dead. Killed by an IED in his office.
What's the source Scrat?

I am listening to Basurin here, and he is mentioning not IED, but "Shmel" as a possible weapon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wHxnXeR2vQ

Overall he is saying that this is yet another attempt to provoke the DNR to break the Minsk agreement, he is talking about an attempt of Ukrainian forces to blow up the Coke and Chemical plant in Avdeevka, supply of various military ammunition to Ukrainian troops by Swedish and Lithuanian volunteers for a total sum of 130, 000 euros, the failure of OBSE to do its job, and some other things...( I am just trying to be brief here.) But the bottom line of course - the "Trump syndrome" of Kiev's government, and the "last push" of Kiev to attempt yet another military takeover of DNR. ( I guess that's why they are amassing troops now at the border with DNR.)

And of course I don't believe in any "internal power struggle" as a cause for this latest murder.
There is no "internal power struggle" in DNR, and both Motorolla and Givi were strictly soldiers, not politicians in any way. Very good and successful commanders on the battlefield at that, so their military success was precisely what "Ukrainian patriots" couldn't take any longer, including the last events in Avdeevka, where Givi was in charge of commandment yet again.
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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Givie is gone.
The dog shall die a dog's death

These people are already a legend Alec - they have their honor and place in history.
There are no heroes like that on Ukrainian side in this war - none. Now ask yourself why.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjiK3EE7uOk
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:52 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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These people are already a legend Alec - they have their honor and place in history.
There are no heroes like that on Ukrainian side in this war - none. Now ask yourself why.
Why? Being a terrorist warlord increases your notoriety... or popularity among fellow terrorists and their supporters.

Countless Ukrainians have shown an abundance of heroism in the face of Russian terrorism and aggression against Ukraine.

Considering the odious abuses and murders of Ukrainian POWs that Motorola and Givi engaged in, it is very good that they're both dead. I hope it was painful.
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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Why? Being a terrorist warlord increases your notoriety... or popularity among fellow terrorists and their supporters.

Countless Ukrainians have shown an abundance of heroism in the face of Russian terrorism and aggression against Ukraine.

Considering the odious abuses and murders of Ukrainian POWs that Motorola and Givi engaged in, it is very good that they're both dead. I hope it was painful.

You still didn't answer the question.
"Countless Ukrainians" are just that - "countless Ukrainians."
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