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Old 04-16-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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Failure rate of missiles include those that never reached their target without an intercept. Apparently, many of the missiles and the launchers were rendered blind in the final stage of the strikes, unable to communicate between the two. SOHR has 65% miss rate. Some of the other sites go as high as 71%. Since SOHR was launched by the UK government for this war, the approximate range is credible.

Take it all with a grain of salt since the two sides have a direct line whenever airstrikes occur outside the deconfliction zones. From the Pentagon briefing:

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Q: I just want to clarify on the deconfliction line. You notified the Russians ahead of time before the operation began what you were going to do and what targets you were going to strike?

GEN. DUNFORD: Gordon, to be clear, the only — the only communications that took place specifically associated with this operation before the targets were struck was the normal deconfliction of the airspace, the procedures that are in place for all of our operations in Syria.
OPCW may have found that there was no chemical attack. Lavrov seems to be accusing the White Helmets of play acting the aftermath of a chemical attack for the purpose of creating video 'evidence'. US in response is charging Russia with tampering. It is much harder to tamper when there's absence of evidence than the other situation where a nerve agent is added to the Skripal samples.

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Old 04-16-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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Results of air defense effort of Russia and Syria. Looks like the old S-200s fired 8 times and didn't hit a single target.

System/Missiles loosed/missiles hit.

Pantsir S1 - 25 - 23

S-300 BUK - 29 - 24

Osa - 11 - 5

S125 - 13 - 5

Strela 10 - 5 - 3

Kvadrat - 21 - 11

S-200 - 8 - 0
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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LMAO!!!

S-125.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-125_Neva/Pechora



A museum exhibit taking down modern missiles. Talk about cost effective.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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The mission was essentially over before it's started. There is nothing to shoot at since the goal was to degrade the ability of the Syrian military to defeat the rebels in Idlib and the few remaining pockets. The air force was moved to Russian bases. Russian military were embedded with the Syrian ground units. The only thing left is to go after Syria's airports, none of which was hit.

The Pentagon briefing alluded to only three targets and soft targets at that. The missile counts would have to be grossly exaggerated, or the number of selected targets has to be 8 or more.

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Old 04-16-2018, 12:44 PM
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Amazing how all targets were destroyed and no proof of missiles being shot down? You'd think they could find something... A museum exhibit taking down AGM-158, that is pretty cool. Especially since it was dark and they don't have a radar signature, it must have used Rasputin magic to lock on.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:53 PM
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The mission was essentially over before it's started. There is nothing to shoot at since the goal was to degrade the ability of the Syrian military to defeat the rebels in Idlib and the few remaining pockets. The air force was moved to Russian bases. Russian military were embedded with the Syrian ground units.
That's true the mission was a complete failure since all they did was destroy the chemical weapons facilities. The real targets known only to Russia were untouched! All praise to Putler, saving the world from the sneaky west who are out to ruin the ME by bombing chemical weapons factories.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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Looks like the old S-200s fired 8 times and didn't hit a single target.
Guys write that the working height S-200 start from 300 meters. Missiles probably flew lower.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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Some specifics for the new sanctions on the US.

https://sputniknews.com/business/201...anctions-bill/

No more titanium for Boeing?

If not they better find some. Russia already has customers lined up in China.
A former head of Britain's Special Forces has challenged Theresa May's claim that President Assad was behind the chemical attack in Douma.

Major General Jonathan Shaw said: 'Why would Assad use chemical weapons at this time? He's won the war.

'That's not just my opinion, it is shared by senior commanders in the US military. There is no rationale behind Assad's involvement whatsoever.

'He's convinced the rebels to leave occupied areas in buses. He's gained their territory. So why would he be bothering gassing them?

Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, the ex-SAS and Parachute Regiment commander added: 'The jihadists and the various opposition groups who've been fighting against Assad have much greater motivation to launch a chemical weapons attack and make it look like Assad was responsible.

Former head of Britain's special forces says Assad 'doesn't need to use gas' | Daily Mail Online
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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Destructions are not too big.


https://youtu.be/qr8fEIVQ03w
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:34 PM
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'He's convinced the rebels to leave occupied areas in buses. He's gained their territory. So why would he be bothering gassing them?
The rebels boarded the buses two DAYS AFTER the gas attack. It was how they convinced them to leave their homes behind, better to live in Idlib than die of gas. Facts do matter when the stakes are this high.
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