[RamenAddict]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

You could buy that house in my town (the kind of untrendy but ‘good schools’ popular part of suburbia) in 2003 but in 2020, that’s now $500-$650k home depending on age and condition.

We are quite comfortable down here on a nothing special household income because we bought cheap in 2001 (and locked in dirt cheap property taxes then too) and paid said house off a few years back. But unless you’re military here, salaries/total job compensation have nowhere kept up with the increased cost of living in these parts.

Yep. It is the same in the area where I used to live in Florida (St. Johns County). You can still find some homes for under $400K, but those areas are still under development and my friend who lives there complains all the time about the lack of restaurants and shopping.

I live in Chicagoland, which people complain is expensive. I work in a suburban area that isn’t glamorous, but it is safe, has excellent schools, and no shortage of shopping/restaurants. You can absolutely find something that is a 4/3 for under $400K, and I don’t imagine that the tax+insurance prices will be all that much difference since our insurance here is so much cheaper. While the city areas are much more expensive, suburban areas (even around NYC) can be much more reasonable. We have a variety here in Chicagoland ranging from very expensive to quite affordable, with great schools and good public transportation access in many of them.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by djsuperfly

I won't lower myself to respond to the rest of the tripe in that post but...

Have some nuance. Think about it. For most of February-May, most of those 100 NYers a day that usually move out weren't doing so. So now you have that movement compressed. If we're still seeing those kinds of numbers into Sept/Oct, then it might be news.

Ask Governor Cuomo if the New York to Florida exodus is big news or not. He said its as serious as a heart attack for the state of New York due to the Billions in tax revenues they are losing.

[djsuperfly]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

Ask Governor Cuomo if the New York to Florida exodus is big news or not. He said its as serious as a heart attack for the state of New York due to the Billions in tax revenues they are losing.

The article says that Cuomo says that its "as serious as a heart attack." However, that's not in quotes. It doesn't actually attribute him as saying those exact words. I'm not saying he hasn't but....there's nothing to necessarily prove that.

Anyway... the point being, that you didn't address....there were already 100 or so people a day moving from NY to FL. Those same 100 or so per day that would have moved between Feb-May in normal times didn't do so. Now, they're doing so again. And, while not all of them will have kids and need to be in place before the new school year starts, a lot of them will be.

So, you have about 12,000 moves that would've happened from Feb-May that didn't happen. Put that on top of the 9000 or so moves that normally would've happened from June-August, and your numbers don't look too far off.

Again, there are moves that should have happened in the spring that didn't that are now being compressed. Again, if we still see these kind of numbers in September and October, it'll actually be news.

But, no matter what Governor Cuomo has to say about what may be happening in his state, this is the Florida board. I could give a darn about what's happening in NY and how it may be affecting my state. Apparently YMMV, but I couldn't care less about why it is doing so.

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by djsuperfly

The article says that Cuomo says that its "as serious as a heart attack." However, that's not in quotes. It doesn't actually attribute him as saying those exact words. I'm not saying he hasn't but....there's nothing to necessarily prove that.

Anyway... the point being, that you didn't address....there were already 100 or so people a day moving from NY to FL. Those same 100 or so per day that would have moved between Feb-May in normal times didn't do so. Now, they're doing so again. And, while not all of them will have kids and need to be in place before the new school year starts, a lot of them will be.

So, you have about 12,000 moves that would've happened from Feb-May that didn't happen. Put that on top of the 9000 or so moves that normally would've happened from June-August, and your numbers don't look too far off.

Again, there are moves that should have happened in the spring that didn't that are now being compressed. Again, if we still see these kind of numbers in September and October, it'll actually be news.

But, no matter what Governor Cuomo has to say about what may be happening in his state, this is the Florida board. I could give a darn about what's happening in NY and how it may be affecting my state. Apparently YMMV, but I couldn't care less about why it is doing so.

Part of it may be more wealthier people leaving, not just the same categories in the past. Just as wealthy people are leaving the NE for CA.

[cfenn006]

Originally Posted by Charlie Allnut

Can you list at least 2 specific actions that he should take today?

1.

Institute another Statewide Shutdown. 10k Positive Cases with 100+ Deaths and a growing number of full ICUs is why we shut down in the first place. The state was on par with the other states that had it under control. The Miami surge was almost stabilized when NY got things under control (Snowbird/Tourist Factor)...


Then Pappa Trump said jump and DeSantis said how high. Reopening against all qualified advice.


2.
Cancel school reopening now. Kids are testing positive all over here, so why pack them all together? Remote/Virtual Learning only. What's going to happen when whole school districts test positive, and staff start dropping like flies?


This man has no plan at all. Every decision he has made just prolongs this pandemic. Now that its hitting the Villages, we will see massive rise in deaths real soon.

[Jdawg8181]

Originally Posted by Florida2014

You're assuming they are tethered to some NYC-based office. A lot of folks now work remotely and can pick and choose where to call home anywhere in the U.S.

Yes but the remote is not likely to be forever

[Scottamemnon]

Originally Posted by Jdawg8181

Yes but the remote is not likely to be forever

Many companies already were pretty favorable to working remotely, now a whole bunch of other companies have seen that they can save a ton of money on leased office space. This pandemic has been a massive test run in determining which employees can work remotely without issues. I was working remotely even before this pandemic, on an agile team where no one is local, and our productivity is much higher than the home office based agile teams for example. The whole "we are more collaborative in the office when crammed together" is BS.

[Corrie22]

it's a 2fer for Cuomo and de Blasio...not only are the people moving....businesses are permanently closing

...and that's an expensive city and state to run

[boy3365]

Originally Posted by RamenAddict

Where is this very low cost of living? The $4000 homeowners insurance many people pay? The HOAs (and sometimes CDDs) people pay that they don’t have to pay up north (assuming they aren’t in a high-end condo/COOP)? The lack of public transport that requires people to have a car and be in it for a long time each day? How about the wages that are typically 1/3 that of what you make in NYC?

Originally Posted by boy3365

I think Florida is still living off of an old reputation that doesn’t really exist anymore. It’s like the person with a poor reputation in high or college that moved away, got whatever help they needed, and transformed their life for the better. But when they go back to their hometown or alumni event, everyone still thinks of them as the person they were 10-15 years ago.

I saw a report on the Orlando ABC affiliate about the expiring $600 per week unemployment. They said that the $275 per week from Florida is the lowest rate in the country relative to cost of living. So, I guess it correlates well with the typical incomes here relative to the cost of living lol.

[Jdawg8181]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

it's a 2fer for Cuomo and de Blasio...not only are the people moving....businesses are permanently closing

...and that's an expensive city and state to run

I don’t like either of these guys but NY did a great job at lowering our rates of death & infection ... as much as I hate to admit it ... credit to Cuomo. On the flipside, we have suffered a lot economically here. A lot of out of work parents, starving children, failing children bc remote learning sucks, divorces, astronomical rates of violence/overdoses/suicides, foreclosures ....

We paid a huge price here. Our levels continue to fall. 9 deaths yesterday, 746 cases statewide out of population of 19 million

BUT knowing how the majority of the country handled this virus, I feel lucky to live in NY