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Old 05-18-2023, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Here is a break down of the schools who may leave the ACC and where they would go.....If Duke and Carolina leave, the ACC might as well dissolve. Duke and Carolina would likely follow to the Big 10, Clemson would likely go to the SEC, Boston College back to the Big East. There article tells the rest.

https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/05/...nce-breaks-up/

Here are the true reasons why the ACC is finding itself in its position today. Primarily about TV network deals and under performing football programs.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/...263200793.html

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Old 05-18-2023, 04:49 PM
 
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Here is a break down of the schools who may leave the ACC and where they would go.....If Duke and Carolina leave, the ACC might as well dissolve. Duke and Carolina would likely follow to the Big 10, Clemson would likely go to the SEC, Boston College back to the Big East. There article tells the rest.

https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/05/...nce-breaks-up/

Here are the true reasons why the ACC is finding itself in its position today. Primarily about TV network deals and under performing football programs.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/...263200793.html
UNC won't end up in the Big 10, ESPN which owns the rights via the ACC is not going to lose one of it's marquee properties period. The B1G is only mentioned because of academics, but since the ACC doesn't appear to be a long term option along with the fast charging collegiate sports landscape then you make the best athletic department decision which is aligning with the SEC. You still maintain some semblance of a close geographic conference & you keep your mega donors happy by not having basketball tournaments in places neither boosters or alums care to go in March
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Old 05-19-2023, 05:43 PM
 
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Go to the Kyle Bailey Show Archives on WFNZ for 5/18. Kyle interviewed Luke DeCock of the Raleigh N&O. Luke says that there is no way for the 7 teams to get out of the GOR agreement. He says that this latest regarding the ACC is much to do about nothing. He says that FSU leaked it out if frustration. Other schools are not as interested. He says that even if the 7 schools could break the GOR then where are they going to go. He says that Fla will not let FSU or Miami into the SEC. South Carolina will not let Clemson in to the SEC. They do not need these teams. He says that the SEC is pretty much set with the teams they need and the same can be said for the BIG. I don’t know, it seems that the SEC would want to get into NC, the ninth most populous state. But Luke says that he does not expect the 7 schools to do anything until 2036 at the earliest, if then. He says the 7 cannot start their own league. He says that would be a huge gamble because they would not be guaranteed a contract. Luke is pretty frank about this.
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Old 05-22-2023, 08:58 AM
 
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Go to the Kyle Bailey Show Archives on WFNZ for 5/18. Kyle interviewed Luke DeCock of the Raleigh N&O. Luke says that there is no way for the 7 teams to get out of the GOR agreement. He says that this latest regarding the ACC is much to do about nothing. He says that FSU leaked it out if frustration. Other schools are not as interested. He says that even if the 7 schools could break the GOR then where are they going to go. He says that Fla will not let FSU or Miami into the SEC. South Carolina will not let Clemson in to the SEC. They do not need these teams. He says that the SEC is pretty much set with the teams they need and the same can be said for the BIG. I don’t know, it seems that the SEC would want to get into NC, the ninth most populous state. But Luke says that he does not expect the 7 schools to do anything until 2036 at the earliest, if then. He says the 7 cannot start their own league. He says that would be a huge gamble because they would not be guaranteed a contract. Luke is pretty frank about this.
This makes sense. If a bunch of schools leave, the remainder just enforce the contract. The ACC will exist in some form. That was the whole point of the GOR, to lock ALL of the schools in. The problem though was the long term deal of the tv contract, not the long term deal of the GOR. TV contracts should be short. That's TV contract 101 for a conference. Maybe the ACC should have been working with TV folks rather than former AD's as their Commish.

I would expect the ACC to remain intact while the rest of any valuable schools get picked up by the SEC and B1G and the values of those 2 leagues grower exponentially. The problem the ACC has is that the Big 12 doesn't create some snobbish academic angle and is instead just looking for the most money. The PAC 12 will have to join the Big 12 in that model or the Big 12 will always be #3 in college sports.

Pressure is on for the ACC to actually produce as a conference to keep the revenue up.
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Old 05-22-2023, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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The ACC will lose its appeal and value if the bread and butter schools bolt from the league. It will become a league of leftovers. Having the headquarters won't mean very much unless the league can attract other schools on par with Duke and Carolina. The ACC will be forced to hit the reset button.
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Old 05-22-2023, 08:53 PM
 
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Do you hear that UNC is not interested in leaving the ACC? The school pushing this is Fl St. But as DeCock said - where would Fl St go? Fl will not let them into the SEC.

Where would Clemson go? South Carolina will not let them into the SEC.

So, if Miami, Fl ST, and Clemson have no conference to go, and the GOR cannot be broken then what are we talking about?
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Old 05-22-2023, 09:00 PM
 
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If UNC is not interested in leaving then neither us NC ST, Duke, or VA. Not sure about VA Tech. And Clemson, Fl ST, Miami, and Clemson have no conference to move to. So who is moving? And the GOR is another problem. So, who are the bread and butter schools that are going to bolt? And when? I am no expert and do not care as much as many. But I do believe that DeCock has a better understanding than anyone on this site. He says it is a non issue. But maybe he is wrong.
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Old 05-23-2023, 07:37 AM
 
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Consolidation of power in college athletics to conferences & the changing landscape such as NIL & athlete's compensation are going to make the NCAA basically useless. It's under this scenario that UNC is looking at it's best options & IMO it won't be in the ACC unless they either no longer want to compete at the highest level in sports or Congress steps in with some sort of legislation governing college sports
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Old 05-23-2023, 07:58 AM
 
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Do you hear that UNC is not interested in leaving the ACC? The school pushing this is Fl St. But as DeCock said - where would Fl St go? Fl will not let them into the SEC.

Where would Clemson go? South Carolina will not let them into the SEC.

So, if Miami, Fl ST, and Clemson have no conference to go, and the GOR cannot be broken then what are we talking about?
1) The B1G took Maryland from the ACC
2) The B1G just took USC and UCLA from the PAC-12

If you think the SEC is the only one in play here, you aren't paying attention. Whether or not they have AAU status may be immaterial now that Nebraska dropped from the list.

And since football drives the bus and FSU and Clemson are the biggest tv football schools available, they most certainly would not be blocked by another school in their state. Its the bigger picture of the SEC versus the B1G.

Whether or not folks are paying attention or not....the SEC spans from Florida to Texas, the B1G spans from New Jersey to California. The B1G has plans to move south and west as stated by their previous Commish (and that didn't mean Maryland and Nebraska obviously)...so there are ACC schools in the crosshairs. Anyone from Virginia, Ga Tech to Miami could be in play...eventually.
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Old 05-23-2023, 08:03 AM
 
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1) The B1G took Maryland from the ACC
2) The B1G just took USC and UCLA from the PAC-12

If you think the SEC is the only one in play here, you aren't paying attention. Whether or not they have AAU status may be immaterial now that Nebraska dropped from the list.

And since football drives the bus and FSU and Clemson are the biggest tv football schools available, they most certainly would not be blocked by another school in their state. Its the bigger picture of the SEC versus the B1G.

Whether or not folks are paying attention or not....the SEC spans from Florida to Texas, the B1G spans from New Jersey to California. The B1G has plans to move south and west as stated by their previous Commish (and that didn't mean Maryland and Nebraska obviously)...so there are ACC schools in the crosshairs. Anyone from Virginia, Ga Tech to Miami could be in play...eventually.
AAU is not immaterial to the Big 10. It's harder to kick a conference member out than to vote one in. Now, whether lack of AAU is a locked-in rule or a guideline they're willing to break for a perfect fit (ie: Clemson) remains to be seen (I suspect it's the latter but for Clemson it won't matter and the SEC will admit them).
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