ACC considering moving its headquarters from Greensboro (Charlotte, Wake Forest: legally, stadiums)

[Owen Wister]

Originally Posted by gsoboi78

Most of the ACC schools are against the expansion.

Only 3 schools voted no to admitting SMU, Cal and Stanford..

[gsoboi78]

Headline.."the days of the ACC being an elite basketball conference are over with 3 new schools that have little business being in the league" the ACC is a mess right now and its efforts to generate more revenue ironically could hurt the conference on the long run the way they are going about it.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-are-over/amp/

[Mackro70]

Originally Posted by gsoboi78

Headline.."the days of the ACC being an elite basketball conference are over with 3 new schools that have little business being in the league" the ACC is a mess right now and its efforts to generate more revenue ironically could hurt the conference on the long run the way they are going about it.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-are-over/amp/

College basketball has not been elite anywhere for years. With "One and Done" and the D-league, the level of play and great college teams has been on the decline for years. That's one reason college football is now the supreme sport and where most of the money is focused.

[CLT4]

Originally Posted by Mackro70

College basketball has not been elite anywhere for years. With "One and Done" and the D-league, the level of play and great college teams has been on the decline for years. That's one reason college football is now the supreme sport and where most of the money is focused.

College football has pulled so far ahead on viewership that it is really tough to stay competitive as a basketball focused conference and secure lucrative media deals. The 2023 regular season's Duke-Carolina game was the #2 most watched regular season college basketball game with 2.86 million viewers on ESPN.

Compare that basketball rating to college football where 45 games in the 2022-23 season had over 4 million viewers and it is clear why the media money is overwhelmingly about football right now and all the other sports are along for the ride.

The ACC's big problem is they don't have the lucrative football schools and the ones they do have want out.

Average # of viewers per week per school (National rank) of 119 football programs that appeared on TV:

Notre Dame: 3.03 million (#6)
Clemson: 2.59 million (#10)
Florida State: 2.03 million (#15)
NC State: 881k (#43)
California: 857k (#45)
North Carolina: 849k (#46)
Stanford: 846k (#47)
Syracuse: 841k (#48)
Georgia Tech: 837k (#49)
Pitt: 650k (#56)
Miami: 608k (#59)
Wake Forest: 523k (#60)
Louisville: 496k (#63)
Boston College: 322k (#70)
SMU: 312k (#72)
Virginia Tech: 264k (#76)
Virginia: 237k (#79)
Duke: 115k (#91)

The ACC only has 3 institutions in the top 25% of viewership versus 11 for the Big 10 and 12 for the SEC. The Big 12 is still in a similar situation as the ACC with only 2 institutions in the top 25%.

For advertisers, Ohio State University got more eye balls for a college football game on average during the regular season (5.6 million) than the bottom 11 ACC schools combined.

[gsoboi78]

The national media is being rough on the ACC with the latest headline calling the ACC expansion of the California schools a "Ponzi Scheme"

"ACC adding Stanford, Cal, SMU feels like a new low in college sports
Even in a college sports industry that struggles to find the bottom, the ACC adding Stanford, Cal and SMU feels like a new low. A thriving conference does not run toward this"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/70739725007/

Raleigh News & Observer says this is a big mistake for the ACC.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/...278825809.html

[js4life]

Originally Posted by CLT4

College football has pulled so far ahead on viewership that it is really tough to stay competitive as a basketball focused conference and secure lucrative media deals. The 2023 regular season's Duke-Carolina game was the #2 most watched regular season college basketball game with 2.86 million viewers on ESPN.

Compare that basketball rating to college football where 45 games in the 2022-23 season had over 4 million viewers and it is clear why the media money is overwhelmingly about football right now and all the other sports are along for the ride.

The ACC's big problem is they don't have the lucrative football schools and the ones they do have want out.

Average # of viewers per week per school (National rank) of 119 football programs that appeared on TV:

Notre Dame: 3.03 million (#6)
Clemson: 2.59 million (#10)
Florida State: 2.03 million (#15)
NC State: 881k (#43)
California: 857k (#45)
North Carolina: 849k (#46)
Stanford: 846k (#47)
Syracuse: 841k (#48)
Georgia Tech: 837k (#49)
Pitt: 650k (#56)
Miami: 608k (#59)
Wake Forest: 523k (#60)
Louisville: 496k (#63)
Boston College: 322k (#70)
SMU: 312k (#72)
Virginia Tech: 264k (#76)
Virginia: 237k (#79)
Duke: 115k (#91)

The ACC only has 3 institutions in the top 25% of viewership versus 11 for the Big 10 and 12 for the SEC. The Big 12 is still in a similar situation as the ACC with only 2 institutions in the top 25%.

For advertisers, Ohio State University got more eye balls for a college football game on average during the regular season (5.6 million) than the bottom 11 ACC schools combined.

The composition of the ACC does hurt & while bball doesn't have huge ratings on per game basis it does offer more content & a better post season tournament which is really the problem. The NCAA controls March Madness & gives less than 50% back to the schools while also funding a lot of D2 & D3 sports at the same time

[js4life]

Looking at the TV numbers getting a combined 1.6 million for Cal/Stanford in the Bay area is solid with all the competition for people interest in NoCal

[urbancharlotte]

The following is from my first post on this thread...

Originally Posted by urbancharlotte

It's difficult to predict anything; but it seems clear that the ACC is planning for something that looks nothing like its current business model. This new ACC could be snatched away from Charlotte to be honest, but it DEFINITELY would have been snatched away from Greensboro. Things like major airport, population growth, downtown office space, major corporate sponsors blah blah blah are the talking points of a business that might be planning on future coast-to-coast operations.

Now that the alleged coast-to-coast conference has happened; the next logical step is to use television market size and national reach to renegotiate television deals. There's probably a belief that the future revenue potential outweighs the costs and inconveniences of coast-to-coast travel. There's really only two ways to get great television contracts in sports.

✓Have a bunch of power teams in your conference
✓Have a ton of television households in your conference

The addition of just 3 schools probably increased the ACC's television households by close to 50% (due to the market sizes of the Bay Area and Dallas). From a television household revenue standpoint, these additions in the long run could end up being more profitable than the smaller market "power schools" that currently reside in the conference (ironically these are the same three schools that were against the expansion). To be honest, these schools would still be better off in the SEC where small market power schools thrive. Clearly, the ACC is aiming for financial stability whether those no-vote schools leave or stay. It was in the ACC's best interest to lower the volume of the screaming voices of small market power schools. This move did just that and a little bit more.

[js4life]

Originally Posted by urbancharlotte

The following is from my first post on this thread...

Now that the alleged coast-to-coast conference has happened; the next logical step is to use television market size and national reach to renegotiate television deals. There's probably a belief that the future revenue potential outweighs the costs and inconveniences of coast-to-coast travel. There's really only two ways to get great television contracts in sports.

✓Have a bunch of power teams in your conference
✓Have a ton of television households in your conference

The addition of just 3 schools probably increased the ACC's television households by close to 50% (due to the market sizes of the Bay Area and Dallas). From a television household revenue standpoint, these additions in the long run could end up being more profitable than the smaller market "power schools" that currently reside in the conference (ironically these are the same three schools that were against the expansion). To be honest, these schools would still be better off in the SEC where small market power schools thrive. Clearly, the ACC is aiming for financial stability whether those no-vote schools leave or stay. It was in the ACC's best interest to lower the volume of the screaming voices of small market power schools. This move did just that and a little bit more.

IMO UNC's objection has more to do with the other schools reluctance toward unequal revenue sharing of the tier 1 tv deal. Everything about this deal makes sense when you think about it with the exception of distance. It would not surprise me if they don't make a play for the four corners schools(ASU/AU/Utah/Colo) around 2030.

[Owen Wister]

Originally Posted by js4life

IMO UNC's objection has more to do with the other schools reluctance toward unequal revenue sharing of the tier 1 tv deal. Everything about this deal makes sense when you think about it with the exception of distance. It would not surprise me if they don't make a play for the four corners schools(ASU/AU/Utah/Colo) around 2030.

It would not surprise me if the ACC no longer exists in 2030, regardless of the GOR situation.