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Old 10-01-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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Speaking of which, does anyone know how the Piedmont Gas connector road is coming along?
WAS scheduled to be done in November, until the rains. Now it looks like the end of the year.

https://greenvillejournal.com/2018/0...ve-congestion/
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Old 10-01-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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WAS scheduled to be done in November, until the rains. Now it looks like the end of the year.

https://greenvillejournal.com/2018/0...ve-congestion/
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The state Department of Transportation is considering several alternatives as part of its Woodruff Road Congestion Relief Project:
  • Widening Woodruff Road from five lanes to seven from the intersection of Woodruff Industrial Lane to Smith Hines Road. The estimated cost is $54.5 million.
  • Widening Woodruff Road to seven lanes and adding a two-lane parallel road from Market Point, which is near the Shops at Greenridge, to Smith Hines Road. Estimated cost is $96.8 million.
  • Widening Woodruff Road to seven lanes from the PNG Connector to Smith Hines Road, and adding a two-lane parallel road from Market Point to Smith Hines, crossing over Interstate 85. This alternative has an estimated $125.9 million price tag.
  • Constructing a new four-lane road connecting the PNG Connector with Smith Hines Road. Woodruff Road would not be widened. Price is estimated at $102.2 million.
  • Building a new four-lane road connecting the PNG Connector with Smith Hines Road along with I-85 interchange improvements. Woodruff Road would not be widened. The estimated cost is $118 million.
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Old 10-01-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Many of those alternatives don't seem like they will help much.

IMO, they need to eliminate left turns off of and onto Woodruff except at traffic lights. They also need to drastically reduce the number of curb cuts onto Woodruff Road from side businesses. Many businesses can already be accessed from entrances on side roads that have traffic lights on Woodruff Road. Some of the businesses that don't have this type of access could if their parking lots were interconnected with parking lots for adjacent businesses. A lot of the congestion and slow down is caused by traffic turning into and out of these businesses.

Moving most of the turning onto and off of Woodruff to the existing signalized intersections would significantly improve the flow of traffic and reduce congestion. Adding more lanes without restricting entering and exiting traffic will just create a bigger parking lot during times of peak traffic.
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Old 10-01-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Many of those alternatives don't seem like they will help much.

IMO, they need to eliminate left turns off of and onto Woodruff except at traffic lights. They also need to drastically reduce the number of curb cuts onto Woodruff Road from side businesses. Many businesses can already be accessed from entrances on side roads that have traffic lights on Woodruff Road. Some of the businesses that don't have this type of access could if their parking lots were interconnected with parking lots for adjacent businesses. A lot of the congestion and slow down is caused by traffic turning into and out of these businesses.

Moving most of the turning onto and off of Woodruff to the existing signalized intersections would significantly improve the flow of traffic and reduce congestion. Adding more lanes without restricting entering and exiting traffic will just create a bigger parking lot during times of peak traffic.
Preach. Unless they fix the intersection issues then six lanes will fill up like the four currently do. Just have double lefts at each light and you would clear up a lot of the mess. They will need to take some land and some business may have to move.
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Old 10-02-2018, 07:01 AM
 
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Many of those alternatives don't seem like they will help much.

IMO, they need to eliminate left turns off of and onto Woodruff except at traffic lights. They also need to drastically reduce the number of curb cuts onto Woodruff Road from side businesses. Many businesses can already be accessed from entrances on side roads that have traffic lights on Woodruff Road. Some of the businesses that don't have this type of access could if their parking lots were interconnected with parking lots for adjacent businesses. A lot of the congestion and slow down is caused by traffic turning into and out of these businesses.

Moving most of the turning onto and off of Woodruff to the existing signalized intersections would significantly improve the flow of traffic and reduce congestion. Adding more lanes without restricting entering and exiting traffic will just create a bigger parking lot during times of peak traffic.
This is an excellent proposal. The cost of this would be minimal compared to the other suggestions. Heck, fire off a letter to city council, you never know!
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Old 10-02-2018, 07:23 AM
 
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This is an excellent proposal. The cost of this would be minimal compared to the other suggestions. Heck, fire off a letter to city council, you never know!
City Council? It's a state owned road. They have no control over what gets done. It's all up to the SCDOT unfortunately.
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Old 10-02-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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One they could eliminate easily is that left turn into Sam's Club. Been saying that for years. Make people make the left turn at the signal a little further down in front of Kohls.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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City Council? It's a state owned road. They have no control over what gets done. It's all up to the SCDOT unfortunately.
Should have been more specific, I was referring to the parking lots and cut throughs, which was mentioned in the post. But you are right, SCDOT does control Woodruff Rd.

I'm not sure what power the council would have over private property anyway.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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One they could eliminate easily is that left turn into Sam's Club. Been saying that for years. Make people make the left turn at the signal a little further down in front of Kohls.
They also need to get rid of the entrances from Woodruff into all of the fast food places along that stretch (Hardees, Krispy Kreme, Bojangles, etc.) and only allow entrance into and out of those from the connection to the main parking lot there. The small strip center with McAlisters needs to have its parking lot connected to the main lot and its entrance to Woodruff closed off as well. Same thing for all of the smaller strip malls and businesses along that stretch. Stopping the flow of traffic for cars entering and leaving those businesses significantly disrupts the flow of traffic and is the cause of a lot of the congestion along that stretch.

In fact, you could put in a road across from Smith - Hines road there to enter the Walmart center, which would give 3 signalized intersections into that shopping complex and then close all of the other non-signallized ones and all the small side entrances into the businesses. You could add some parking behind McAlisters to make up for the lost parking spaces there.

Re-align Tanner road to have a T-intersection with Hendrix Dr. instead of a Y intersection with Woodruff and then close all the side entrances onto Woodruff for businesses that have rear entrances with Tanner Road. Run a connector between E. Butler and Tanner and then close the side entrances onto Woodruff for the businesses in the stretch near Publix.

On the other side, use Rocky Creek Road in a similar manner to close side entrances onto Woodruff.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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Yes Vol. Some of those have back access already to the road that runs in front of Kohl's to Sam's Club. I'm ok with right turns only out of those businesses but they need a barrier there to prevent left turns onto Woodruff going into and out of them. Just like they are doing in front of Trader Joes.

Curious as to who is paying for the barrier work there in front of Trader Joes. Those temporary barriers they use at holiday time have "City of Greenville" on them.
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