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Old 08-11-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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People who play around too much with wild things often times get hurt bad or killed. That aussie was killed for messing with a stingray fish. His days had been numbered a long long time. Steve something.

There is plenty of un-seen dangers in the wild, I know because just being out there wild life can get me too. The last raw deal was a brown recluse. no fun at all. I was just working.
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:03 AM
 
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It won't change reduce the number of attacks on humans.



Then you should stop pretending you do by whining about the ban on sport hunting, tying it falsely to attacks on humans, then expressing 'hope' that these attacks will eventually motiviate a re-institution of sport hunting which you apparently concede won't actually reduce the attacks you pretended to be concerned about.
"Here in the state of Kalifornia the eco fascists have put a stop to mountain lion hunting for awhile. Hopefully someday they will get tired of the attacks on joggers in state parks."
This was a sarcastic comment not one intended to draw any correlations. You need to ask yourself why your thought process inferred a non- existent correlation in my statement.

Sounds like you care more about Lion hunting than you let on.
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Old 08-11-2010, 05:06 PM
 
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It won't change reduce the number of attacks on humans.
Yes it will. There is no doubt that large predators fear man when man regularly hunts them. There is also no question that once we stop hunting them they stop fearing us and eventually decide to see what we taste like.
We are very slow inattentive creatures. To a mountain lion, who has never been pursued by hunters or learned to avoid us from his mother because she was pursued by us, we look a very easy meal. Same with bears & most other wildlife. It fears us when we hunt it but loses that fear real quick when we act like prey.

If people start chaseing lions in Cali again then cougar attacks will become unheard of again. Denying these simple truths is silly.
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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Yes it will. There is no doubt that large predators fear man when man regularly hunts them. There is also no question that once we stop hunting them they stop fearing us and eventually decide to see what we taste like.
We are very slow inattentive creatures. To a mountain lion, who has never been pursued by hunters or learned to avoid us from his mother because she was pursued by us, we look a very easy meal. Same with bears & most other wildlife. It fears us when we hunt it but loses that fear real quick when we act like prey.

If people start chaseing lions in Cali again then cougar attacks will become unheard of again. Denying these simple truths is silly.
Exactly right. Apex predators do not have a "natural fear of man"; they have to learn it.
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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If poaching is hunting, then all males are rapists. All pencils cause spelling errors. and etc.Money make people rob banks.......

The logic of this assertion is unclear and I doubt it would stand scrutiny.

Stalking or baiting and then killing animals is hunting. The notion of poaching is a legal concept that has nothing to do with the basic act of hunting itself. A poacher is a hunter who hunts illegally. You know, like Robin Hood.
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:45 AM
 
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So are you saying a married guy can not possibley rape his own wife?
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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No its not. Poaching is illegal taking of wildlife. Saying poaching is hunting is like saying stealing is shopping.

No. Hunting is the act of "taking" wildlife. Shopping is the act of buying something. The legality of the act is intrinsic in shopping but not in hunting.

If one looks upon hunting as a sport then perhaps poaching isn't hunting. But to define hunting as a sport only is a very limited definition of an activity people have engaged in for thousands of years; since long before there were any notions of sport or legality involved with it.
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:54 AM
 
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I don't limit hunting to a sport, I am more a subsistance type hunter, eatting to live, hunting to eat, and then using many more items that meat from a kill.

If one buys meat he may as well have hunted it. If one eats bread with bone meal that person may as well have hunted it.

If a person buys /rents a condo in a former deer winter yard and 1 deer dies from that that non hunter, hunted.

Poaching is robbing the bank. Raping your own wife is a crime. Shop lifting isn't shopping.
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Old 08-12-2010, 08:26 AM
 
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The logic of this assertion is unclear and I doubt it would stand scrutiny.

Stalking or baiting and then killing animals is hunting. The notion of poaching is a legal concept that has nothing to do with the basic act of hunting itself. A poacher is a hunter who hunts illegally. You know, like Robin Hood.
No, to like Robin Hood.

Poachers have no regard for game management or species sustainability. They kill in mass whenever and where ever possible to sell a product to the highest bidder.

It would be more accurate to compare poachers to those who perpetuate genocide.
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Old 08-12-2010, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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No, to like Robin Hood.

Poachers have no regard for game management or species sustainability. They kill in mass whenever and where ever possible to sell a product to the highest bidder.

It would be more accurate to compare poachers to those who perpetuate genocide.

Which doesn't mean it's not hunting.

Hunt | Define Hunt at Dictionary.com Note the definition of the word has nothing to do with approval of the act by the law or anyone else. Other dictionaries have a similar definition.

I've known farmers in Wisconsin and Illinois who illegally hunted deer on their farms to put meat on the table. They're poachers but are not killing in mass nor selling to highest bidder and it's not accurate to compare them to Germans exterminating the Jews. Now comparing killing animals to exterminating entire nations; that's an odd notion.
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