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At least it's the governors deciding how to handle things and not some national lock down. I do feel bad for California, seems like overkill on some policies. And the fake photos of crowded beaches didn't help public opinion.
Absolutely. Some people are pushing a claim that everyone is equally at risk, which is manifestly not true. Everyone may be at some risk, but there needs to be a more logical method of assessing and dealing with it than simply locking everyone down.
Well, lets say for the sake of argument that Miss Terri's estimation is correct, half are in nursing homes. Scientifically we know that anything above 3% is considered to be significant. Where do you guess that the other 50% of deaths were living at?
The reason for social distancing is simple - not to overwhelm health facilities. I'm sure when you need a ventilator, you would like one to be available. As long as people continue with social distancing and face covering the spread of the virus is slowed down assuring that a stretcher and ventilator will probably be there.
There may possibly be room at the morgue and local cemeteries as they use any slow down in death rates to catch up on an overwhelming amount of bodies to be claimed and processed. Last I checked, over 3K have been buried in a mass grave where I am because the morgues are overwhelmed and the bodies cant be held anymore. There are still 2 refrigerated semi trucks of bodies at the facility where I work.
I know its easy to look at the fresh new leaves on the trees and the lovely green grass blowing in the breeze, and listen to the birds happily chirping and want to frolic untethered amongst it all with our family and friends. The virus is not gone. I can tell you for a fact that people are still getting sick, being put on ventilators and dying from it - even today. Is it really worth the risk to yourself and others to throw caution to the wind and try to pretend that that is not happening anymore?
There are still COVID related deaths happening in China. Granted, not as much as there had been several months ago, but it is still happening. How much risk is acceptable to you? How much guilt can you handle if the risk proves to be too great and friends and family die because you thought the risk was acceptable?
My husband posted a meme along the lines of "Sure go out, party with friends, go shop and dine. But make sure your life insurance is up to date because I ain't gofunding shyte."
I think people are being very limited in their thinking. Death is just the worst option. Then there are 30K dollar hospital bills, and potentially life long health problems.
I don't know what this thing will do - heck it could die out during summer, I don't know. When I don't know something with a high negative impact, I am going to err on the side of caution.
I'll hold your beer, you can jump in.
Am I afraid and hiding? No. But I have done my due diligance in reasearch and it looks like the less socializing the better, for now.
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My husband posted a meme along the lines of "Sure go out, party with friends, go shop and dine. But make sure your life insurance is up to date because I ain't gofunding shyte."
I think people are being very limited in their thinking. Death is just the worst option. Then there are 30K dollar hospital bills, and potentially life long health problems.
I don't know what this thing will do - heck it could die out during summer, I don't know. When I don't know something with a high negative impact, I am going to err on the side of caution.
I'll hold your beer, you can jump in.
Am I afraid and hiding? No. But I have done my due diligance in reasearch and it looks like the less socializing the better, for now.
As I keep saying....
I know three people who got this, were tested and confirmed, and recovered. All were healthy and well under 65. All recovered in a week or two. No bigger deal than a seasonal flu. One has very slight symptoms.
My relative, 91, in poor health, died in a few days. The landscape and risk level are DIFFERENT for age groups, weight, immune health etc. Its not that people are going out to party and winding up on ventilators. Most of us who get this will be slightly inconvenienced with an illness for a few weeks. We will not be hospitalized. We will not have huge bills.
Shutting off our economy for months makes no sense. Please let's not blanket everything in z thick layer of panic. Time to sensibly and critically view facts....not fearful conjecture.
I know three people who got this, were tested and confirmed, and recovered. All were healthy and well under 65. All recovered in a week or two. No bigger deal than a seasonal flu. One has very slight symptoms.
My relative, 91, in poor health, died in a few days. The landscape and risk level are DIFFERENT for age groups, weight, immune health etc. Its not that people are going out to party and winding up on ventilators. Most of us who get this will be slightly inconvenienced with an illness for a few weeks. We will not be hospitalized. We will not have huge bills.
Shutting off our economy for months makes no sense. Please let's not blanket everything in z thick layer of panic. Time to sensibly and critically view facts....not fearful conjecture.
Good for you.
You do you, and I'll do me.
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Many states are opening back up but a lot of health officials have indicated that it is too soon; the virus has not yet flattened, and we will likely see a rise in cases and deaths becaue states have begun aggressive reopening efforts already. For those who have states that have opened or are opening soon, what are your plans? Texas is opening many businesses next week but my wife and I are furloughed. There is no mask requirement and we believe it is too soon. We will remain at home under self quarantine until either more time has passed or we are called back to work. What do you think? If you have the option, do you believe it is safe to get back to normal?
I don't think normal as we knew it will ever come back. People adapt, if they are to remain viable. I think the whole situation has been overblown. Most of the deaths occur where people are confined to congested spaces with little air flow and lack of hygiene. Once a virus as virulent as this one is released, it will take its course. Hiding away may defer the infection, but only once you are infected can your body adapt. The morbidity rates are shrinking as people realize how many have been exposed but their immune system knocked it out before it could develop. The only way to get past it is to go through it. No one can escape it.
I know three people who got this, were tested and confirmed, and recovered. All were healthy and well under 65. All recovered in a week or two. No bigger deal than a seasonal flu. One has very slight symptoms.
My relative, 91, in poor health, died in a few days. The landscape and risk level are DIFFERENT for age groups, weight, immune health etc. Its not that people are going out to party and winding up on ventilators. Most of us who get this will be slightly inconvenienced with an illness for a few weeks. We will not be hospitalized. We will not have huge bills.
Shutting off our economy for months makes no sense. Please let's not blanket everything in z thick layer of panic. Time to sensibly and critically view facts....not fearful conjecture.
This made no sense at all and I agree.
I think some of these people have long felt that we are "wasteful" and want to change our lifestyle. People would not bite because of the threat of "climate change." This is their chance. Another post which I excerpted says it all:
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Originally Posted by Zippyman
The act of entering the store for the purposes of buying non-essential items (like paint or carpet) turns the entire store into a vector for disease. That means people who actually do need something are put at additional unnecessary risk of infection due to the selfishness of the idiots. Buying paint, especially custom-mixed paint is the apex of stupidity. You’re forcing employees who should be safe at home to cater to your selfish needs at their expense and risk ....The effect of allowing the depot to run wild ....
My response was:
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Originally Posted by jbgusa
Excuse me. You are describing the conditions that prisoners live under because they are being punished for committing a crime. These days we treat hardened criminals better.
So people should essentially be on meager rations and have no enjoyment until Gretchen Whitmer is good and ready?
This is the chance that these change advocates have been waiting for. It is not new. It existed in the early 1970s, with the Club of Rome report, affiliated with MIT (link, excerpt below):
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Originally Posted by Club of Rome book extract
The message of this book still holds today: The earth’s interlocking resources – the global system of nature in which we all live – probably cannot support present rates of economic and population growth much beyond the year 2100, if that long, even with advanced technology. In the summer of 1970, an international team of researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology began a study of the implications of continued worldwide growth. They examined the five basic factors that determine and, in their interactions, ultimately limit growth on this planet-population increase, agricultural production, nonrenewable resource depletion, industrial output, and pollution generation.
And an excerpt from Page 21 of the book:
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Originally Posted by Page 21, Limits of Growth Report
2. It is possible to alter these growth trends and to establish a condition of ecological and economic stability that is sustainable far into the future. The state of global equilibrium could be designed so that the basic material needs of each person on earth are satisfied and each person has an equal opportunity to realize his individual human potential.
So I draw a direct line from the Club of Rome mentality, borne of guilt from the post-WW II growth and affluence, to the steps taken recently, nominally against the pandemic.
I know three people who got this, were tested and confirmed, and recovered. All were healthy and well under 65. All recovered in a week or two. No bigger deal than a seasonal flu. One has very slight symptoms.
My relative, 91, in poor health, died in a few days. The landscape and risk level are DIFFERENT for age groups, weight, immune health etc. Its not that people are going out to party and winding up on ventilators. Most of us who get this will be slightly inconvenienced with an illness for a few weeks. We will not be hospitalized. We will not have huge bills.
Shutting off our economy for months makes no sense. Please let's not blanket everything in z thick layer of panic. Time to sensibly and critically view facts....not fearful conjecture.
Low risk does not mean no risk. Just because you know three (3) that recovered, that does not mean everyone in their circumstances recovers. And please do not refer to this as similar to the flu. It's not! It's a different virus.
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