[equid0x]

Originally Posted by Futuremauian

This is simply NOT true! Years ago it was 65%. Now it is 70%.

I already posted the active ingredient from their formula as stated on their patent for the product. It is NOT any type of alcohol.

They have only recently changed formulation and are not selling a "patent pending" product that is not the one they were selling prior to January.

[equid0x]

Originally Posted by Futuremauian

I read the entire "Warning Letter". It does not say anywhere that GOJO is wrong. It tells them to "stop claims that it is effective at eliminating disease because there is no peer reviewed, published clinical studies" demonstrating the company's claim.

In Effect: It hasn't been clinically PROVEN to kill disease, which is WAY different than your claim that it's "snake oil"! It may still be proven to work exactly as they say it does.

And no, it doesn't indicate that a major Federal Agency agrees with you.

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with GOJO. Did they fire you or refuse to hire you at some point?

It seems you can't read between the lines. Did you actually expect the FDA to send a letter to GOJO calling their product "snake oil?"

This is how the FDA responds when they think your product is bull****.

I don't work for GOJO. GOJO was the company that patented hand sanitizer, initially sold under the "Purell" brand name.

I got news for ya... any product that isn't proven to do what it says it does IS "snake oil."

"snake oil â–º
n. A worthless preparation fraudulently peddled as a cure for many ills."

See google.

Its pretty much the definition of "snake oil." GOJO has made a bunch of claims about its products and the FDA has stated that those claims are baseless.

[ddrhazy]

Snake oil would actually be more valuable than BS. At least I can cook my food with snake oil.

[equid0x]

"CDC recommends washing hands with soap and water whenever possible because handwashing reduces the amounts of all types of germs and chemicals on hands."

https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show...sanitizer.html

"The best way to prevent the spread of infections and decrease the risk of getting sick is by washing your hands with plain soap and water, advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/informatio...s-and-covid-19

[OmegaSupreme]

CDC also "lied" and said you don't need a mask, but once there is no longer a shortage for hospital workers they will reverse that claim and encourage people to wear them.

That's my stance though, I know many will have a different viewpoint.

[equid0x]

Originally Posted by OmegaSupreme

CDC also "lied" and said you don't need a mask, but once there is no longer a shortage for hospital workers they will reverse that claim and encourage people to wear them.

That's my stance though, I know many will have a different viewpoint.

It couldn't just be that work in an ER setting puts those who would wear them there at greater risk of exposure?

If you're standing in a room of 20 known infected people for 12-16 hours a day you stand a much greater risk of infection than one who stands in a line of up to 44/hr who may or may not been infected and spent an avg of 1m20s in that location.

[OmegaSupreme]

Originally Posted by equid0x

It couldn't just be that work in an ER setting puts those who would wear them there at greater risk of exposure?

If you're standing in a room of 20 known infected people for 12-16 hours a day you stand a much greater risk of infection than one who stands in a line of up to 44/hr who may or may not been infected and spent an avg of 1m20s in that location.

Yes, there's no argument against that.

How is the average person getting coronvirus when not counting family members/close friends? It's not the asymptotic (normally), transmission from them is very low. It's when people go to crowded places and someone has it, like Costco or any other grocery store. Or cruise ships. I don't think transmission occurs much from contaminated surfaces, it hasn't been proven yet and also doesn't make much sense to me given the pathways.

Wearing a mask on a cruise ship isn't really a viable option for the duration of most cruises, you're basically screwed. Going to Costco for 30 minutes, practicing other important hygiene practices just to be sure, then wearing a mask just has to make sense.

If we stop transmission, then this thing goes away completely in under a month. Social distancing is the number one way we can achieve that. Since we can't social distance 100% of the time, we need to prevent exposure to the virus as much as possible.

Here is a crappy graph that could show correlation (not necessarily causation of course) of mask wearing countries vs not.
https://imgur.com/a/EvgDhid

[Futuremauian]

Originally Posted by equid0x

I already posted the active ingredient from their formula as stated on their patent for the product. It is NOT any type of alcohol.

Originally Posted by equid0x

They have only recently changed formulation and are not selling a "patent pending" product that is not the one they were selling prior to January.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe Purell was selling an alcohol-based sanitizer as well as the one you keep talking about?

Online I was able to quickly locate data about their alcohol-based sanitizer, which was invented in 1988.

Google it!

[Prosze]

Originally Posted by equid0x

"CDC recommends washing hands with soap and water whenever possible because handwashing reduces the amounts of all types of germs and chemicals on hands."

https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show...sanitizer.html

"The best way to prevent the spread of infections and decrease the risk of getting sick is by washing your hands with plain soap and water, advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/informatio...s-and-covid-19

Right from the CDC, (check label on your sanitizer):



"CDC recommendations reflect the important role of hand hygiene for preventing the transmission of pathogens in healthcare settings for a wide range of pathogens. The ability of hand hygiene, including hand washing or the use of alcohol-based hand sanitizers to prevent infections is related to reductions in the number of viable pathogens that transiently contaminate the hands. Hand washing mechanically removes pathogens, while laboratory data demonstrate that 60% ethanol and 70% isopropanol, the active ingredients in CDC-recommended alcohol-based hand sanitizers, inactivates viruses that are genetically related to, and with similar physical properties as, the 2019-nCoV.
While the exact role of direct and indirect spread of coronaviruses between people that could be reduced by hand hygiene is unknown at this time, hand hygiene for infection prevention is an important part of the U.S. response to the international emergence of COVID-19.
CDC recommends the use of alcohol-based hand sanitizers with greater than 60% ethanol or 70% isopropanol as the preferred form of hand hygiene in healthcare settings, based upon greater access to hand sanitizer. Health care providers who use alcohol-based hand sanitizers as part of their hand hygiene routine can inform patients that they are following CDC guidelines."

[Prosze]

Originally Posted by OmegaSupreme

I've only done a little research on that and from my understanding, masks actually do work. They can prevent the flu, something like going from 80% chance of getting it down to 20% chance in a healthcare environment. I don't know if the study is up to standard, but it's a start.

There are other studies that show that n95 masks were only slightly more effective vs a surgical mask, so not that huge of a difference as one might expect.

The virus is tiny yes, it can easily penetrate even n95 masks, but the droplets it's carried in are usually large, so a surgical mask can protect you to an extent.

Social distancing is obviously our best defence right now, but there are other small things that can be done that will help.

Yes they do work plenty of studies on WHO and CDC site. Compliance is the issue for non medical workers.