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I love Arizona and that is why I live here most of the time. My wife is native american and I expect her to get questioned if stopped so we will be prepared. No big deal!!! We have REAL driver licenses here in AZ!!
New Mexico also has "real" driver's licenses. They are licenses to drive, and are not meant for use as proof of citizenship. Legal resident aliens can get driver's licenses throughout the US; but there's nothing keeping them from overstaying their visas, and thus becoming illegal aliens, but maintaining their licenses. And anyone can carry a birth certificate; there's no picture, so if you don't have a driver's liicense or other picture ID, you really haven't proven citizenship. It will eventually come down to everyone having to carry a national ID with them at all times, under penalty of detainment without one. Do we really want further erosion of our civil liberties? How much will it really affect illegal immigration . . . my guess is not much.
Some people will consider carrying a national ID, a small price to pay, as far as civil liberties.
But that's how you loose your civil liberties.....one law at a time.
Just remember, Germany in the early 1930's, had a democratic government too.
Just something to ponder............................................
It will eventually come down to everyone having to carry a national ID with them at all times, under penalty of detainment without one. Do we really want further erosion of our civil liberties? How much will it really affect illegal immigration . . . my guess is not much.
That was the whole idea behind the Real ID act. Which several states refused to comply with, mainly because of cost.
We can't have it both ways. Most, not all, thought Real ID was a great idea to standardize Drivers Licenses across the country but that hasn't worked out too well yet. Where was all this uproar when the Fed's said you can't get on a plane without proving citizenship? Isn't that an infringement of our civil rights?
So, on the one hand it's ok to have a standard national ID act for countering terrorism, but it's not ok to have one to control immigration.
Aries63 is right. You don't have to prove citizenship in this country to fly. Otherwise, no foreign tourists (and we get a whooooole lot of them in this country), visiting dignitaries, professors, illegals, what have you, would ever be able to fly in this country.
The real sad thing is that Arizona is a broke state and will not have the funds to defend all the lawsuits that are already pending and the news ones that are sure to come as a result of US citizens being unlawfully detained (100% this will happen).
You cannot trample on Citizens constitutional rights and expect to get away with it...That is what it boils down to and Arizona will pay if they are allowed to keep this law (which they won't)
The Arizona law is badly crafted. One aspect that is not getting the attention it deserves
is the provision allowing citizens to sue local LEOs for NOT enforcing the law.
How long do you think it will be before thousands of nuisance suits are initiated by those
who oppose the law claiming that "Officer Joe Blow isn't doing his duty"??
Within days opposition groups could have thousands of lawsuits hitting the AZ court
system turning the law against itself. And I seriously doubt that I'm the only person
who's thought of this..
The Arizona law is badly crafted. One aspect that is not getting the attention it deserves
is the provision allowing citizens to sue local LEOs for NOT enforcing the law.
How long do you think it will be before thousands of nuisance suits are initiated by those
who oppose the law claiming that "Officer Joe Blow isn't doing his duty"??
Within days opposition groups could have thousands of lawsuits hitting the AZ court
system turning the law against itself. And I seriously doubt that I'm the only person
who's thought of this..
Many people see the unrealistic and unreasonable burden put on the officers that might have to enforce this law. Lawsuits are inevitable because the law is damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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